The Politics Thread

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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
2
15%
Conservatives
6
46%
Liberal Democrats
1
8%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
2
15%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
8%
Planet Hobo
1
8%
 
Total votes: 13

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri May 19, 2017 8:33 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
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Could take something out of all the 3 main parties manifestos that makes sense. Also all have some total nonsense.

Time for our politics to grow up before we become the USA I think.
Indeed, as could I. However, there's too much 'Sorry, there's no way I could support that' in them too.

If the election was today, I'd honestly just sit it out. I also think that this idea of a Tory landslide is decreasing by the day.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Beefheart » Fri May 19, 2017 8:44 am

Interesting that in May's Manifesto launch speech she said 'it doesn't matter where you are from' but at the same time has a policy that means firms will have to pay two grand to hire someone from outside of the EU. How much is that policy going to cost the NHS anyway?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri May 19, 2017 8:49 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 8:33 am
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Thu May 18, 2017 9:57 pm
Could take something out of all the 3 main parties manifestos that makes sense. Also all have some total nonsense.

Time for our politics to grow up before we become the USA I think.
Indeed, as could I. However, there's too much 'Sorry, there's no way I could support that' in them too.

If the election was today, I'd honestly just sit it out. I also think that this idea of a Tory landslide is decreasing by the day.
The Tories will win big by default. Like you for the first time in my life I'm seriously considering spoiling my ballot paper.

Depressing.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri May 19, 2017 9:23 am

Can someone also explain this elderly healthcare business to me please? It was on the news last night that if you have over £100K worth of assets then that must be used to pay for any eventual care required, and hey, this can be paid out of your estate when you snuff it. It said that this amount will also include the value of your property. Are we talking equity here or value? The report made no distinction here. Also, what about pension funds accrued. Many of us pay in AVCs. Are we now to be punished for our prudence?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Lord Kangana » Fri May 19, 2017 9:37 am

Just the phasing out of the Welfare State, Bruce. We'll all be expexted to pay for everything ourselves in the coming years.

I'm particularly looking forward to the return of locally-owned Turnpikes. Or Congestion Charging, in it's 21st Century guise. See also 'Smart Motorways'.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Beefheart » Fri May 19, 2017 10:31 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 9:23 am
Can someone also explain this elderly healthcare business to me please? It was on the news last night that if you have over £100K worth of assets then that must be used to pay for any eventual care required, and hey, this can be paid out of your estate when you snuff it. It said that this amount will also include the value of your property. Are we talking equity here or value? The report made no distinction here. Also, what about pension funds accrued. Many of us pay in AVCs. Are we now to be punished for our prudence?
I don't know how they'd work it out. If you take a lump sum out of your pension, presumably that would be considered an asset and included, but I don't see how they could do the same for someone with an annuity.

I think the change is that the threshold of assets above which you can expect to contribute towards care has gone from something around 20-30k to 100k, but with home care now being included rather than just residential care. The question then is, where do you draw the line between what's social care and health care. For example, a nurse visiting my Nan to dress a wound after a fall. Does that count? From what age? How much does that cost her?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Fri May 19, 2017 11:07 am

Someone has to pay for it and, despite their constant complaints to the contrary, pensioners haven't. Sure, pooling the risk would be better but every time anyone has suggested some sort of inheritance tax change old people have f*cked them up so...
You Corbyn folk who hoped he'd step down for a younger, more electable lefty...that's what this is, without the stepping down. Sort it out.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri May 19, 2017 11:47 am

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Fri May 19, 2017 11:07 am
Someone has to pay for it and, despite their constant complaints to the contrary, pensioners haven't. Sure, pooling the risk would be better but every time anyone has suggested some sort of inheritance tax change old people have f*cked them up so...

But if you've paid in for all of your working life already?

Hoboh'll be along shortly banging the foreign aid drum. ;)
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Fri May 19, 2017 12:03 pm

Paid in for your whole life on the basis you'd die at 70, which you haven't, and which is great, like, astoundingly great, but needs paying for.

If old people aren't going to pay for it, who is?
You Corbyn folk who hoped he'd step down for a younger, more electable lefty...that's what this is, without the stepping down. Sort it out.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Fri May 19, 2017 12:05 pm

Let's not forget that pensioner households now have higher income than working age households. *income*. But triple lock that down.

Millennials all have Insta though, so...
You Corbyn folk who hoped he'd step down for a younger, more electable lefty...that's what this is, without the stepping down. Sort it out.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Beefheart » Fri May 19, 2017 1:21 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 12:05 pm
Let's not forget that pensioner households now have higher income than working age households. *income*. But triple lock that down.

Millennials all have Insta though, so...
Indeed, property is largely exempt from any capital gains tax during a persons lifetime, it appreciates massively in value (primarily due to macroeconomic forces and not because of anything the property owner has done) and then people get up in arms when the estate is taxed at death.

I don't think the new Tory policy has it right though.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri May 19, 2017 1:26 pm

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I don't think the new Tory policy has it right though.
Nor do I.

One of the various reasons that I'm currently right up for drawing a massive spunking cock and bollocks (with pubes) on my ballot paper is that all I'm hearing from all sides are pledges without any background working out at all.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Beefheart » Fri May 19, 2017 1:55 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:26 pm
Beefheart wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:21 pm
I don't think the new Tory policy has it right though.
Nor do I.

One of the various reasons that I'm currently right up for drawing a massive spunking cock and bollocks (with pubes) on my ballot paper is that all I'm hearing from all sides are pledges without any background working out at all.
I quite like the idea of legalising weed at least, that and four extra bank holidays. So I'm a bit torn.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Lord Kangana » Fri May 19, 2017 2:00 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:26 pm
Beefheart wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:21 pm
I don't think the new Tory policy has it right though.
Nor do I.

One of the various reasons that I'm currently right up for drawing a massive spunking cock and bollocks (with pubes) on my ballot paper is that all I'm hearing from all sides are pledges without any background working out at all.
This is not entirely true. Labour have actually said they will submit their manifesto pledges to the OBR for home-work checking if the Tories will do the same.

Which begs thw questiin, if the Tories is so significantly better, why haven't they ripped their hands off at the offer?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Dr Hotdog » Fri May 19, 2017 3:49 pm

There are things in the tory manifesto that I just can not ever seeing myself get behind:
A vote to bring back fox hunting.
No Leveson follow up (meaning all the dastadly offshore-owned vested-interested papers which fill our elders with fear and keep them trotting out to vote blue and purple will continue to get a free pass, Hi Hoboh, you f*cking f*ckwit)
Fracking. The planet's atmosphere is f*cked enough without the need to go into its soul.
A pledges to increase the earning thresholds for people wishing to sponsor migrants for family visas (currently on £18,600). How Christian of our God-Bothering PM.

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Post by Worthy4England » Fri May 19, 2017 7:11 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 11:07 am
Someone has to pay for it and, despite their constant complaints to the contrary, pensioners haven't. Sure, pooling the risk would be better but every time anyone has suggested some sort of inheritance tax change old people have f*cked them up so...
If they own the "asset" be it property or pensions or shares, for most people in that position it will be because they've earned it and managed to pay tax and insurance all their working lives (if you think mortgage often 30/40 years when first taken out).

The ones who this will hit are probably the very ones that have pretty much paid for their welfare or at least made a very significant contribution to it.

On the flip side, this is so "counter-tory" it's funny.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Fri May 19, 2017 7:17 pm

Beefheart wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 1:21 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 12:05 pm
Let's not forget that pensioner households now have higher income than working age households. *income*. But triple lock that down.

Millennials all have Insta though, so...
Indeed, property is largely exempt from any capital gains tax during a persons lifetime, it appreciates massively in value (primarily due to macroeconomic forces and not because of anything the property owner has done) and then people get up in arms when the estate is taxed at death.

I don't think the new Tory policy has it right though.
Of course it appreciates in value. That's why people buy them. If mine was still worth what it was when I bought it, and I'd put 60% of everything I earned after paying 40% tax, into it, working 90 hour weeks, then I'd be mightily pissed off.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri May 19, 2017 11:07 pm

The Tories don't want theirs costed because it clearly includes tax rises. Tax rises they refuse to detail (or rule out). But their numbers are wild without some increased taxation somewhere.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sat May 20, 2017 10:42 am

I'm not that keen on the repressive regime in Saudi. But surely they have some law allowing them to behead orange people.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun May 21, 2017 5:34 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 11:07 pm
The Tories don't want theirs costed because it clearly includes tax rises. Tax rises they refuse to detail (or rule out). But their numbers are wild without some increased taxation somewhere.
Maybe it's tax rises for the rich ;)

According to Katie Hopkins those of us that fall below the £80K earnings barrier simply haven't applied ourselves sufficiently. :roll:
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