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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by jimbo » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:04 pm

Masterclass being continued by morkel and philander.....
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:39 pm

Captain Cook discovers South Africa...or something..Mutiny sceduled... :wink:
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by jimbo » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:10 pm

Cook ain't captain any more. The mutiny happened on the voyage to India last winter.

After starting so promisingly this is a terrible day for England!
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:52 pm

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Cook ain't captain any more. The mutiny happened on the voyage to India last winter.
After starting so promisingly this is a terrible day for England!
Yes, it was a joke, and yes, a bad day at the office for us. Ain't over yet though, keep smiling.. :wink:
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Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:05 pm

I guess there always going to be bother when the tail doesn't wag.

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:00 am

Bottom line is, our bowling attack isn't good enough after Anderson and Broad. When they need a rest or can't find the right line and length we don't have good enough bowlers. That is why SA got about 100 runs too many 1st innings.

That is where we (almost certainly) lost this test. It was a sub-300 type of pitch and situation. We let them get too many through weak bowling.

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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:48 am

Absolute tosh, with a little truth thrown in. Our bowling attack could be stronger, yes. Wood's bowling like a drain and Stokes isn't ripping up any trees at the moment. Broad is also somewhat hit and miss so far. But.

6 batters in the first innings below double figures. (3 out of the top 6). 8 below 20. etc. etc. Last 6 wickets under 50 runs. When that occurs, the momentum moves to the opposition. It's not the bowling that will have cost us this one.

Cook's scores in the three innings so far - 3, 69, 3. Not good enough. I'm still a fan though.
Jennings - 8, 33, 0. Not good enough
Ballance - 20, 34, 27. Not good enough
Stokes - 56, 1, 0. Not good enough (but generally fine)

That's 4 out of the top 6 all below 30 average. That's nowhere near Test match good enough. As a team, we needed to be pushing 300 minimum in the first innings. Having a deficit of 130 was way too large.

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:08 am

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Absolute tosh, with a little truth thrown in. Our bowling attack could be stronger, yes. Wood's bowling like a drain and Stokes isn't ripping up any trees at the moment. Broad is also somewhat hit and miss so far. But.

6 batters in the first innings below double figures. (3 out of the top 6). 8 below 20. etc. etc. Last 6 wickets under 50 runs. When that occurs, the momentum moves to the opposition. It's not the bowling that will have cost us this one.

Cook's scores in the three innings so far - 3, 69, 3. Not good enough. I'm still a fan though.
Jennings - 8, 33, 0. Not good enough
Ballance - 20, 34, 27. Not good enough
Stokes - 56, 1, 0. Not good enough (but generally fine)

That's 4 out of the top 6 all below 30 average. That's nowhere near Test match good enough. As a team, we needed to be pushing 300 minimum in the first innings. Having a deficit of 130 was way too large.
Their 1st innings score was way too large. There was a bit of luck thrown in. Ball was swinging round day 2, day 1 the wind made batting a bit easier. But still. We didn't take wickets early on day 1 in good bowling conditions and suffered for it.

We need another opening batsman and possibly a number 3. Beyond that I'm relatively happy with our lineup.

Bowling wise, I think we're under par unless there is a lot in the wicket for Ali or the ball hoops round corners for Jimmy. We have no threatening pace. No real 4th bowler with reverse skills. Its all very average outside of Anderson and Broad - and they don't always bowl well - and they need some movement.

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:20 am

I don't disagree that there's problems in the bowling attack. I do disagree that their 1st innings score was way too large (whilst not disputing it could've been lower). They got to 194-4, we got to 148-4 (which is still +46 to them). Their tail wagged a bit - which ours does fairly regularly and ours singularly didn't. We can't keep relying on Moeen and lower to keep fishing us out of less than par top order scores (with exceptions for Root and Bairstow). We then get to 10 in front of their "for four" score and that's a problem with the bowling?

Don't get it.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:36 am

Okay Joe, here's what you do: Next man out, put the tail end in and tell them to do their best . Take some sting out of the Saffers bowlers with Broad, Jimmy and Mo, and then let the middle order in, then let yourself and Cookie and co bat on and win. Simple... :mrgreen:
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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:47 pm

There's that bowling fcuking us up again.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:50 pm

Where are the Ian Bothams' and Freddie Fintoffs' when you need em? :(
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:32 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
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There's that bowling fcuking us up again.
You know last test how they crumbled when we had big scores on the board....well...

We're by no means a great batting side, but I maintain we do not carry enough wicket threat nor do we have very disciplined 3rd and 4th seamers. This means we are struggling to make things happen ourselves. We're reliant on conditions and the wicket. It is glaringly obvious that our attack is weak.

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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Seems to me that we have several what I would term all rounders in the side rather than the old fashioned 1, with everyone else being specialised in bowling, batting or wicket keeping with varying ability at summat else. Maybe more specialised bowlers might help with the ball, though my argument slightly falls down when you look at the specialist batsmen!

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:27 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:32 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:47 pm
There's that bowling fcuking us up again.
You know last test how they crumbled when we had big scores on the board....well...

We're by no means a great batting side, but I maintain we do not carry enough wicket threat nor do we have very disciplined 3rd and 4th seamers. This means we are struggling to make things happen ourselves. We're reliant on conditions and the wicket. It is glaringly obvious that our attack is weak.
205 all out.

I don't disagree that our bowling could be improved. But that's like trying to solve the mobility issue with a support bandage for the arms, whilst not spotting the legs have fallen off.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:35 pm

Not sort of a good day at the office...to put it mildly...Athers reckons England are giving their wickets away.
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by jimbo » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:04 pm

Utterly pathetic today. This side has been dreadful for 12 months when they're a bit up against it due to either scoreboard pressure or the fact that it's doing a bit. Absokutely brainless cricket with them unable to adapt to the situation in front of them. Just make the bloody bowlers work hard t get you out!!!
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by jimbo » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:05 pm

Look at Amla - one of the few batsmen left who is happy to graft all day. He's so bloody difficult to get out and it's that attitude that's made the difference
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:13 pm

jimbo wrote:
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Look at Amla - one of the few batsmen left who is happy to graft all day. He's so bloody difficult to get out and it's that attitude that's made the difference
Quite. We have a team that's capable, on it's day of very quickly taking a game away from the opposition with the bat.

But there's a balance to be struck between that and people who can dig in when it's tough. We woefully short on the latter.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:25 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:13 pm
jimbo wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:05 pm
Look at Amla - one of the few batsmen left who is happy to graft all day. He's so bloody difficult to get out and it's that attitude that's made the difference
Quite. We have a team that's capable, on it's day of very quickly taking a game away from the opposition with the bat.

But there's a balance to be struck between that and people who can dig in when it's tough. We woefully short on the latter.
I'd agree. Well we're not short, it is just the digger ins are Ballance (lol) and Root.

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