New England Manager

[communistworkethic]

how this Jimmy Armfield a credible football figure??

Perhaps by dint of the fact he was England Captain, invented modern full back play and was one of the best managers Bolton Wnaderers ever had?

in what year?

this is about a review of the modern game/england team/manager to make it fit for purpose now and in the future, not 40 years ago.

[BWFC_Insane]

I realise he has ruled himself out, but I reckon Allardyce would take the job if the FA offered it to him.

I'm not surprised that a man of his ego has decided against wearing his heart on his sleeve this time round, and as we all know, it would do him no favours with the Geordies if he did.

With Mourinho not wanting the job, Hiddink unavailable, and the other top available managers being Italians who don't speak English, I do think Allardyce is the man for the job. Better than O'Neill, anyway.

Allardyce better than O'Neill?

Kinell clueless is all I can describe this suggestion as.

[Trott]

Trott wrote:
Quote:
how this Jimmy Armfield a credible football figure??


Perhaps by dint of the fact he was England Captain, invented modern full back play and was one of the best managers Bolton Wnaderers ever had?



in what year?

this is about a review of the modern game/england team/manager to make it fit for purpose now and in the future, not 40 years ago.

I think you'll find that as he goes to so many games and talks to so many people in the game now he still has plenty of knowledge about the modern game and credibility within the game.

[BWFC_Insane]

Trott wrote:
Quote:
how this Jimmy Armfield a credible football figure??


Perhaps by dint of the fact he was England Captain, invented modern full back play and was one of the best managers Bolton Wnaderers ever had?



in what year?

this is about a review of the modern game/england team/manager to make it fit for purpose now and in the future, not 40 years ago.

I think you'll find that as he goes to so many games and talks to so many people in the game now he still has plenty of knowledge about the modern game and credibility within the game.

Not in my eyes he doesn't. Lets not dig up dinosaurs to sort out this mess, lets make sure that we listen to people currently in the game.

Can't stand him, but Roy Keanes opinions are certainly interesting (and accurate IMO) reading.

[ratbert]

Well, I'm happy to judge him on my terms, because I think that those of their fans who think like that are idiots.

Allardyce knows the score, but he said before a ball was kicked that these things take time.

You have to remember that a combination of Mourhino as manager, Lippi as coach and Scolari as techinical director wouldn't please Newcastle fans.

[communistworkethic]

Trott wrote:
Quote:
how this Jimmy Armfield a credible football figure??


Perhaps by dint of the fact he was England Captain, invented modern full back play and was one of the best managers Bolton Wnaderers ever had?



in what year?

this is about a review of the modern game/england team/manager to make it fit for purpose now and in the future, not 40 years ago.

I think you'll find that as he goes to so many games and talks to so many people in the game now he still has plenty of knowledge about the modern game and credibility within the game.

He watches lots of games? Well he must be qualified to understand what's need in this age on millionaire players then. The guy doesn't even make the most sense on GMR.

The FA board is not fit for purpose. The FA as a business and the FA as a sporting body are not appropriately split. Any review has to take this in to account. It has to be reviewed by a business/administration-minded person and someone recently out of the game with international playing and/or coaching experience.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I realise he has ruled himself out, but I reckon Allardyce would take the job if the FA offered it to him.

I'm not surprised that a man of his ego has decided against wearing his heart on his sleeve this time round, and as we all know, it would do him no favours with the Geordies if he did.

With Mourinho not wanting the job, Hiddink unavailable, and the other top available managers being Italians who don't speak English, I do think Allardyce is the man for the job. Better than O'Neill, anyway.

Allardyce better than O'Neill?

Kinell clueless is all I can describe this suggestion as.

Do me a favour - at the very least it's a matter of opinion.

Even if you wouldn't regard Allardyce as being a better manager than O'Neill (though I would), I do think he'd be a better England manager.

If you have to stop at 'clueless' when describing that proposition then I'd suggest you'd be better off not even putting finger to keyboard.

[Tombwfc]

Slightly off topic, but it has been discussed here.

Just seen Craig Johnstone on Skysports advocating giving kids the ball to work with for hours, instead of endless amounts of mindless fitness coaching.

WhiteArmy for England manager anyone?

Thats definately how they do it in Spain. I went over there with School, staying at Valencias training ground. And aside from one lap warm up, it was entirely passing and moving from start to finish. And every single player we played against was technically brilliant and completely assured on the ball.

[Athers]

Steve Nicol has it sewn up.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Van Gaal interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 113365.stm

I think he would be an acceptable shout.

He's a cult figure over here for his impromptu karate kick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb1t7ZehPBo


I notice that some senior people share my view that Allardyce could be tempted out of his Geordie nightmare....

[Lord Kangana]

Van Gaal interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 113365.stm

I think he would be an acceptable shout.

He's a cult figure over here for his impromptu karate kick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb1t7ZehPBo


I notice that some senior people share my view that Allardyce could be tempted out of his Geordie nightmare....

Allardyce's one great strength is in organising - if rumour is to be believed, he isn't the greatest coach, but as you saw at the Wanderers, he is very forward thinking with his appointment of a highly specialised backroom staff.

IMHO its exactly what England need, but I suspect the last 12 months have tarnished his reputation, and firmly put him out of favour with the foaming-at-the-mouth red-top readers who the FA has to pander to.

Expect more fudging of the issue in the near future.

[Bruce Rioja]

Van Gaal interested.....

Is it all Van Gaal's work at AZ, PB, or did he inherit them in decent shape?

I've always considered AZ to be our Dutch twin.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Van Gaal interested.....

Is it all Van Gaal's work at AZ, PB, or did he inherit them in decent shape?

I've always considered AZ to be our Dutch twin.

Funnily enough, I was just talking to somebody about this the other day.

They were very much going in the right direction when he took over.

Co Adriaanse was the manager before Van Gaal, and he managed a 10th place finish, followed by a 5th place finish, followed by a 3rd place finish, only about 3 points off first place, and a run to the UEFA Cup Semis - a remarkable effort for a small club from a small city with a smaller population than Bolton - and one that was recognised when Porto swooped to sign up Adriaanse, because Victor Fernandez didn't do a great job replacing a chap caled Mourinho in his one season there.

There are some parallels, but I gather that AZ's revival has been based on stylish rather than pragmatic football!

And, although AZ revival has been similar to ours, they have one the title once in the early 80s, and therefore also had some European experience too.

[BWFC_Insane]

Van Gaal interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 113365.stm

I think he would be an acceptable shout.

He's a cult figure over here for his impromptu karate kick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb1t7ZehPBo


I notice that some senior people share my view that Allardyce could be tempted out of his Geordie nightmare....

Allardyce's one great strength is in organising - if rumour is to be believed, he isn't the greatest coach, but as you saw at the Wanderers, he is very forward thinking with his appointment of a highly specialised backroom staff.

IMHO its exactly what England need, but I suspect the last 12 months have tarnished his reputation, and firmly put him out of favour with the foaming-at-the-mouth red-top readers who the FA has to pander to.

Expect more fudging of the issue in the near future.

Allardyce for England manager? Erm no thanks.

Why would we wanna help the Geordies out?

Seeing the abuse he gets off the Geordie fans is as good as any sitcom on TV at the moment.

Allardyce was great at Bolton but he wasn't exactly dealing with big expectations. Talk is the players at Newcastle think he's a complete joke. He isn't coping well with the pressure and lets face it he never exactly coped well when there was any pressure on him from Bolton fans or the media while he was here.

Also MOTIVATING and COACHING the players are pretty much the only 2 qualities an England manager requires, oh and TACTICAL ability.

Allardyce is lacking in these departments.

[Batman]

perfect crimbo pressie


allardyce on the dole

[Lord Kangana]

Van Gaal interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 113365.stm

I think he would be an acceptable shout.

He's a cult figure over here for his impromptu karate kick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb1t7ZehPBo


I notice that some senior people share my view that Allardyce could be tempted out of his Geordie nightmare....

Allardyce's one great strength is in organising - if rumour is to be believed, he isn't the greatest coach, but as you saw at the Wanderers, he is very forward thinking with his appointment of a highly specialised backroom staff.

IMHO its exactly what England need, but I suspect the last 12 months have tarnished his reputation, and firmly put him out of favour with the foaming-at-the-mouth red-top readers who the FA has to pander to.

Expect more fudging of the issue in the near future.

Allardyce for England manager? Erm no thanks.

Why would we wanna help the Geordies out?

Seeing the abuse he gets off the Geordie fans is as good as any sitcom on TV at the moment.

Allardyce was great at Bolton but he wasn't exactly dealing with big expectations. Talk is the players at Newcastle think he's a complete joke. He isn't coping well with the pressure and lets face it he never exactly coped well when there was any pressure on him from Bolton fans or the media while he was here.

Also MOTIVATING and COACHING the players are pretty much the only 2 qualities an England manager requires, oh and TACTICAL ability.

Allardyce is lacking in these departments.

Interesting that in one post you lambast me for talking ill of Gartside for the success he brought to the Reebok, and then within the hour you display such Schadenfreude towards the man instrumental in all we achieved.

Or were you too busy in the directors box with Phil to notice the greatest period in the last 30 years? (as you put it in a previous post?)

Inconsistent ranter to the last eh?

[BWFC_Insane]

Van Gaal interested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 113365.stm

I think he would be an acceptable shout.

He's a cult figure over here for his impromptu karate kick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb1t7ZehPBo


I notice that some senior people share my view that Allardyce could be tempted out of his Geordie nightmare....

Allardyce's one great strength is in organising - if rumour is to be believed, he isn't the greatest coach, but as you saw at the Wanderers, he is very forward thinking with his appointment of a highly specialised backroom staff.

IMHO its exactly what England need, but I suspect the last 12 months have tarnished his reputation, and firmly put him out of favour with the foaming-at-the-mouth red-top readers who the FA has to pander to.

Expect more fudging of the issue in the near future.

Allardyce for England manager? Erm no thanks.

Why would we wanna help the Geordies out?

Seeing the abuse he gets off the Geordie fans is as good as any sitcom on TV at the moment.

Allardyce was great at Bolton but he wasn't exactly dealing with big expectations. Talk is the players at Newcastle think he's a complete joke. He isn't coping well with the pressure and lets face it he never exactly coped well when there was any pressure on him from Bolton fans or the media while he was here.

Also MOTIVATING and COACHING the players are pretty much the only 2 qualities an England manager requires, oh and TACTICAL ability.

Allardyce is lacking in these departments.

Interesting that in one post you lambast me for talking ill of Gartside for the success he brought to the Reebok, and then within the hour you display such Schadenfreude towards the man instrumental in all we achieved.

Or were you too busy in the directors box with Phil to notice the greatest period in the last 30 years? (as you put it in a previous post?)

Inconsistent ranter to the last eh?

When did I say Allardyce didn't do a good job for us?

Doesn't mean I like him. The guy has a big head in more senses than one. Yes he was successful here, I didn't criticise him whilst he was here.

Now he isn't here and left the club (and clearly holds no regard for the club as he hasn't exactly been bothered about trying to poach backroom staff or players) he is in effect an enemy of the club.

But that aside even if he were here, to talk of him as potential England manager is quite ridiculous. His side just played a game and didn't manage a shot on target. They have just lost their last two home games 4-1 and 3-0. His "own" fans are giving him tremendous abuse. Lets get real.

My gripe with the "Gartside" comments is that a) Allardyce would still be a lower league manager were it not for Gartside. b) Bolton would probably not be a premiership club and may even have slipped into the 2nd division or gone out of business were it not for Gartsides' intervention. When we got promoted he knew he couldn't provide the investment we needed so sold to Davies who came in with investment.

So anyone calling Gartside for lack of investment or not having a love of the club doesn't understand the man. Yes he likes to climb the ladder (FA etc) but he is a business administrator who has done a decent job at Bolton.

Allardyce is a completely different kettle of fish, and I have absolutely no loyalty to a man who left the club and in his latter years at the club touted himself for a job and showed little interest in managing BWFC.

[Athers]

Steve Nicol has it sewn up.

No-one?

[H. Pedersen]

Allardyce would be a horrible appointment. When things would go badly for long periods at Bolton he seemed to have no idea how to fix them. God only knows what would have happened in 04-05 if Davies hadn't gotten hurt, pushing Diouf into that central striker role. We had another poor run of form in 05-06 that cost us Europe, and the end of last season was a catastrophe. Allardyce got away with it here because Gartside never even hinted that he was under pressure. Here, he had fans who were happy just staying up, a chairman who let him get away with shamelessly pimping himself for another job, and players who would have been sent to the glue factory if he hadn't stepped in. If you think it's bad for him at Newcastle, it would be 1000% worse for England.

[BWFC_Insane]

Allardyce would be a horrible appointment. When things would go badly for long periods at Bolton he seemed to have no idea how to fix them. God only knows what would have happened in 04-05 if Davies hadn't gotten hurt, pushing Diouf into that central striker role. We had another poor run of form in 05-06 that cost us Europe, and the end of last season was a catastrophe. Allardyce got away with it here because Gartside never even hinted that he was under pressure. Here, he had fans who were happy just staying up, a chairman who let him get away with shamelessly pimping himself for another job, and players who would have been sent to the glue factory if he hadn't stepped in. If you think it's bad for him at Newcastle, it would be 1000% worse for England.

Yeah, he did a great job for us. But he is finding out that with higher expectations due to a larger club and more money, comes more pressure.

He isn't an England candidate, and in reality probably never really should have been.