Rangers are liquidated

[Il Pirate]

I Just wish they'd been vapourised..................................

[fatshaft]

The way I see it is, the problem was caused by a greedy few, it's not the fans, players or the majority of staffs fault, they shouldn't be punished. Put it this way if our 100 million debt wasn't owed to Eddie we would probably be in the same situation with liquidation. At the end of the day they are one of the biggest names in the UK with huge support from all over the world and the chances of them slipping away into nothing is slim

Bobo beat me to it, and yes you're right, it's none of these people's fault, but on the other side, fans of every other team in the country have been cheated for 20+ years, and there's a damned site more of them than there are Huns, not that the numbers involved shouyld cary any weight whatsoever.

[Wandering Willy]

Bobo beat me to it, and yes you're right, it's none of these people's fault, but on the other side, fans of every other team in the country have been cheated for 20+ years, and there's a damned site more of them than there are Huns, not that the numbers involved shouyld cary any weight whatsoever.

I keep hearing how Rangers have cheated, which I don't necessarily doubt, but I am ignorant of the facts. Is there a decent article knocking around that gives a precis of the situation?

[jaffka]

Bobo beat me to it, and yes you're right, it's none of these people's fault, but on the other side, fans of every other team in the country have been cheated for 20+ years, and there's a damned site more of them than there are Huns, not that the numbers involved shouyld cary any weight whatsoever.

I keep hearing how Rangers have cheated, which I don't necessarily doubt, but I am ignorant of the facts. Is there a decent article knocking around that gives a precis of the situation?

Yes please tell how they have cheated.

[Lord Kangana]

I think the context would be if they were to be allowed to continue as before unfettered. Then the previous 20 years would be tarnished. If, however, there was a significant, commensurate punishment (including, but not exclusive to relegation) in line with the rules as presented, then I'm not sure anyone can say they have cheated.

[Relentless09]

Basically was the whole situation not brought to light because of Craig Whytes failures ? I doubt Rangers have been in serious debt for the last 20+ years. The money was there and these 'dual contracts' prove that and even though that's illegal, it's not cheating as it doesn't give an advantage in playing terms ? The damage was done by a few and Whyte being inept made the whole thing become public

[fatshaft]

Basically was the whole situation not brought to light because of Craig Whytes failures ? I doubt Rangers have been in serious debt for the last 20+ years. The money was there and these 'dual contracts' prove that and even though that's illegal, it's not cheating as it doesn't give an advantage in playing terms ? The damage was done by a few and Whyte being inept made the whole thing become public

Of course it was, instead of paying PAYE, they kept that money (rememeber that will be at the top tax rate of 40/50% whichever was in effect at the time) and paid their players a second contract, effectviely doubling what they could actually afford.

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[bobo the clown]

Basically was the whole situation not brought to light because of Craig Whytes failures ? I doubt Rangers have been in serious debt for the last 20+ years. The money was there and these 'dual contracts' prove that and even though that's illegal, it's not cheating as it doesn't give an advantage in playing terms ? The damage was done by a few and Whyte being inept made the whole thing become public

Of course it was, instead of paying PAYE, they kept that money (rememeber that will be at the top tax rate of 40/50% whichever was in effect at the time) and paid their players a second contract, effectviely doubling what they could actually afford.

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which means they could afford more & better players than their means ought to have allowed & so were more competitive than they should have been.

Hence gaining access to greater funding.

Further, they didn't declare any of this when challenged, preferring to admit to only that which was undeniable. They therefore pretended matters were far less bad than they were.

Even buyers backed out when they got to the books as they saw the extent of the exposure and the unpaid tax-bills alone accounted for more than the turn-over of most of the rest of Scotch football alone.

This was all done quite knowingly, not just bad luck or a bad economic wind. Fraud on a grand scale.

Their defence appears to be "it wasn't the fans fault .... & there are so many of them ...& we're an institution" followed by veiled threats about the impact of their demise on other clubs.

Fck, anyone who can act in a way which allows the geezer from Hearts to claim the moral high ground is some piece of work.

[Relentless09]

It's sad to see any football club being liquidated and if it wasn't for Eddie that 100million debt could see us fall. The fact that it's Glasgow Rangers makes people feel like its right for them to enjoy this. Yes it is a cliché but the fans don't deserve it and either do the regular employees. It's not their fault that greedy individuals wanted money and success.

[Worthy4England]

It's sad to see any football club being liquidated and if it wasn't for Eddie that 100million debt could see us fall. The fact that it's Glasgow Rangers makes people feel like its right for them to enjoy this. Yes it is a cliché but the fans don't deserve it and either do the regular employees. It's not their fault that greedy individuals wanted money and success.

Feck 'em. C'mon Celtic!

[bobo the clown]

It's sad to see any football club being liquidated and if it wasn't for Eddie that 100million debt could see us fall. The fact that it's Glasgow Rangers makes people feel like its right for them to enjoy this. Yes it is a cliché but the fans don't deserve it and either do the regular employees. It's not their fault that greedy individuals wanted money and success.

Feck 'em. C'mon Celtic!

Frankly, I'd love to see them dragged into it as well.

[Worthy4England]

It's sad to see any football club being liquidated and if it wasn't for Eddie that 100million debt could see us fall. The fact that it's Glasgow Rangers makes people feel like its right for them to enjoy this. Yes it is a cliché but the fans don't deserve it and either do the regular employees. It's not their fault that greedy individuals wanted money and success.

Feck 'em. C'mon Celtic!

Frankly, I'd love to see them dragged into it as well.

You and lots of others no doubt.

[Harry Genshaw]

If they're allowed into division 3 as a new club, at least a lot of money will flow into the coffers of your Peterheads & Brechins etc I do wonder though how East Stirling will get on hosting 4 or 5000 travelling Huns twice a year.

[Bruce Rioja]

If they're allowed into division 3 as a new club, at least a lot of money will flow into the coffers of your Peterheads & Brechins etc I do wonder though how East Stirling will get on hosting 4 or 5000 travelling Huns twice a year.

Well, I'm sure the same was asked of say Macclesfield when they were hosting Man City in the league a few years back. Not a bad problem for these clubs to have, I say.

[fatshaft]

It's sad to see any football club being liquidated and if it wasn't for Eddie that 100million debt could see us fall. The fact that it's Glasgow Rangers makes people feel like its right for them to enjoy this. Yes it is a cliché but the fans don't deserve it and either do the regular employees. It's not their fault that greedy individuals wanted money and success.

Yes of course the fact it's Rangers (and if it was Celtic) makes it highly enjoyable, when if it was any other club, it would indeed be the disaster that the Weegie media have tried unsuccessfully to portray.

The fact the fans don't deserve it (highly debateable when you consider whom we are talking about here) does not matter, as already stated, the fans of other clubs did not deserve to be unwittingly paying to be cheated for 20 years. Being exiled to the lower leagues for just 3 years is the minimum recompense that should be endured.

[fatshaft]

If they're allowed into division 3 as a new club, at least a lot of money will flow into the coffers of your Peterheads & Brechins etc I do wonder though how East Stirling will get on hosting 4 or 5000 travelling Huns twice a year.

Well, I'm sure the same was asked of say Macclesfield when they were hosting Man City in the league a few years back. Not a bad problem for these clubs to have, I say.

Exactly Bruce, and yet do you know how many amongst the Scottish media have highlighted how good this is for Scottish Football? Well that would be none of them, because all their talk of 'good of the game' etc, is self preservation, the weegie rags sell very little outside weegia itself, without the constant bigot fest to stir up, they'll be looking for new jobs, and THAT is what the press fever and fury has been all about.

[Annoyed Grunt]

Looks like they won't be in the SPL next season.

[FaninOz]

The whole thing is a farce now with the "senior men in Scottish football" (those who know football no less) are proposing to fix things by allowing the New Rangers into Divison 1 next season (at a price to be paid by the SPL) and not Division 3 where they should be.

The whole thing stinks to me and makes Scotland the armpit of football, but it could very easily happen in England as well as it nearly did to Leeds, Portsmouth, Southampton, etc and is happening to Darlington who are getting no help from those teams above and around them or from the FA.

[Gravedigger]

One has to hope in a quite cruel sense that the same happens to another "Less famous" team in the SPL, or any other league, and see what the "Punishment" will be. Still, as long as it sets a precedent for when another team deliberately sets out to wrongdo, techie term for "Cheat", then everything will be okay.

[a1]

The whole thing is a farce now with the "senior men in Scottish football" (those who know football no less) are proposing to fix things by allowing the New Rangers into Divison 1 next season (at a price to be paid by the SPL) and not Division 3 where they should be.

The whole thing stinks to me and makes Scotland the armpit of football, but it could very easily happen in England as well as it nearly did to Leeds, Portsmouth, Southampton, etc and is happening to Darlington who are getting no help from those teams above and around them or from the FA.

none of these teams got automatically relegated to the bottom division. strictly, they were not even relegated one division. they were merely deducted a set number (ten ? or so) of points.