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I think you spend way too much time thinking about the wrong stuff if you assume people have an agenda on a football forum.
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
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And a team that is way below half as goodLord Kangana wrote:I think you spend way too much time thinking about the wrong stuff if you assume people have an agenda on a football forum.
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
So agreed poor performance from BWFCi's hero, Gartside!
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His worst performance was in picking Sam's first three successors - not sure about the fourth.Hoboh wrote:And a team that is way below half as goodLord Kangana wrote:I think you spend way too much time thinking about the wrong stuff if you assume people have an agenda on a football forum.
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
So agreed poor performance from BWFCi's hero, Gartside!
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Shouldn't this thread get back to insulting that buck-toothed Uruguayan c*nt ??
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He's the only player that prefers to operate as one of the incisive front men in a 2/2 1/1 2/2 3/3 formation
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The fact is correct. The point I'm making is that the alternative was not spending money we had to borrow. And you'd be equally as critical if we'd done that I'm sure because Allardyce would have left earlier, we'd not have had the same success and not seen some of the players we did. And if you want to say "well we should have a bit of debt but not as much as we have" then I'm explaining why once Eddie opened the chequebook for players (as opposed to his earlier investments in the training ground and restructuring the bank debt) it is easy to see why he ended up spending more and more as the cost of staying in the top flight went up. It isn't just Bolton that fell into this trap. The only way to avoid it is to simply do what West Brom did for a number of years or possibly Burnley are doing now, live within your means and accept that you're probably not going to compete in the top flight or certainly not for long. But that would be equally as unpalatable I suspect....Lord Kangana wrote:I think you spend way too much time thinking about the wrong stuff if you assume people have an agenda on a football forum.
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
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.... er ..... Suarez ???BWFC_Insane wrote:The fact is correct. The point I'm making is that the alternative was not spending money we had to borrow. And you'd be equally as critical if we'd done that I'm sure because Allardyce would have left earlier, we'd not have had the same success and not seen some of the players we did. And if you want to say "well we should have a bit of debt but not as much as we have" then I'm explaining why once Eddie opened the chequebook for players (as opposed to his earlier investments in the training ground and restructuring the bank debt) it is easy to see why he ended up spending more and more as the cost of staying in the top flight went up. It isn't just Bolton that fell into this trap. The only way to avoid it is to simply do what West Brom did for a number of years or possibly Burnley are doing now, live within your means and accept that you're probably not going to compete in the top flight or certainly not for long. But that would be equally as unpalatable I suspect....Lord Kangana wrote:I think you spend way too much time thinking about the wrong stuff if you assume people have an agenda on a football forum.
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
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well I tried... see above ^ (no, no, the one above the one above that one).bobo the clown wrote:Shouldn't this thread get back to insulting that buck-toothed Uruguayan c*nt ??
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Put him on ignore.bobo the clown wrote:.... er ..... Suarez ???BWFC_Insane wrote:The fact is correct. The point I'm making is that the alternative was not spending money we had to borrow. And you'd be equally as critical if we'd done that I'm sure because Allardyce would have left earlier, we'd not have had the same success and not seen some of the players we did. And if you want to say "well we should have a bit of debt but not as much as we have" then I'm explaining why once Eddie opened the chequebook for players (as opposed to his earlier investments in the training ground and restructuring the bank debt) it is easy to see why he ended up spending more and more as the cost of staying in the top flight went up. It isn't just Bolton that fell into this trap. The only way to avoid it is to simply do what West Brom did for a number of years or possibly Burnley are doing now, live within your means and accept that you're probably not going to compete in the top flight or certainly not for long. But that would be equally as unpalatable I suspect....Lord Kangana wrote:I think you spend way too much time thinking about the wrong stuff if you assume people have an agenda on a football forum.
We have a debt that is roughly half that of Barcelona's. What about that particular fact is wrong?
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It's not really an either-or proposition. You can acknowledge that going into debt is sometimes a good idea (buying a quality used car, or signing Nic Anelka) and sometimes a bad idea (buying a house during a bubble, or signing Johan Elmander).BWFC_Insane wrote:I'm clearly not. You just want to push some nonsense agenda. You can't argue that debt is fine until you decide it isn't. You either accept that we lived within our means and didn't stretch to buying players or you don't. Either the club should have lived off its own finances or it shouldn't.Lord Kangana wrote:F*ck sake give up for once, you're wrong.
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Oh and Suarez is a dick.
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You can acknowledge going into debt *was* a good or bad idea. You don't know until it happens. If it was that easy we'd only have gone into debt for the Anelkas.
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But, fly in the ointment time, we didn't get in major Barcelona-esque debt for the Anelka's (I f*cking hate that by the way. Did we sign more than one Anelka?).
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Ha, your Lampards and your Gerrards...
No, but once you've gone a bit into debt to get Anelka, you then think, well, we've got to stay up now or we can't pay back that debt, so we need to spend more money. BWFCi used the gambler analogy, which I think stacks up. If I just get this one right... Tbf ED probably should have said, nah, I've spent the Anelka money but you're not having any more, but hindsight is 20:20.
No, but once you've gone a bit into debt to get Anelka, you then think, well, we've got to stay up now or we can't pay back that debt, so we need to spend more money. BWFCi used the gambler analogy, which I think stacks up. If I just get this one right... Tbf ED probably should have said, nah, I've spent the Anelka money but you're not having any more, but hindsight is 20:20.
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Unfortunately when you sign Nico you get Claude, whether you want him or not.Lord Kangana wrote:But, fly in the ointment time, we didn't get in major Barcelona-esque debt for the Anelka's (I f*cking hate that by the way. Did we sign more than one Anelka?).
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Exactly. The thing is that he could have cut his losses after Anelka and Diouf and the 20 odd million. But he'd have been equally as battered for that as he was for the continued spending to try and rescue situations.Prufrock wrote:Ha, your Lampards and your Gerrards...
No, but once you've gone a bit into debt to get Anelka, you then think, well, we've got to stay up now or we can't pay back that debt, so we need to spend more money. BWFCi used the gambler analogy, which I think stacks up. If I just get this one right... Tbf ED probably should have said, nah, I've spent the Anelka money but you're not having any more, but hindsight is 20:20.
And I don't believe Eddie would at the time have felt in a position to question the validity of signings over an above whether he wanted the club to spend his money or not.....he had managers to decide on value.
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H. Pedersen wrote:Unfortunately when you sign Nico you get Claude, whether you want him or not.Lord Kangana wrote:But, fly in the ointment time, we didn't get in major Barcelona-esque debt for the Anelka's (I f*cking hate that by the way. Did we sign more than one Anelka?).
Wait. Is Nico free now? Reckon he'd come back?
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It's not a question of value though, it's a question of do we have the cash, and how happy is he to stump up knowing there's no guarantee he'll get it back?BWFC_Insane wrote:Exactly. The thing is that he could have cut his losses after Anelka and Diouf and the 20 odd million. But he'd have been equally as battered for that as he was for the continued spending to try and rescue situations.Prufrock wrote:Ha, your Lampards and your Gerrards...
No, but once you've gone a bit into debt to get Anelka, you then think, well, we've got to stay up now or we can't pay back that debt, so we need to spend more money. BWFCi used the gambler analogy, which I think stacks up. If I just get this one right... Tbf ED probably should have said, nah, I've spent the Anelka money but you're not having any more, but hindsight is 20:20.
And I don't believe Eddie would at the time have felt in a position to question the validity of signings over an above whether he wanted the club to spend his money or not.....he had managers to decide on value.
I agree he shouldn't be saying there's £11m but you should sign x, y, or z with it, that's the managers job; he could have said, 'there isn't £11m'. No doubt he'd have got stick if he had, but he still could have done it.
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meanwhile... Suarez is out there having a big toothy laugh.
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Playing ban upheld. Lovely stuff.
Training and promotional ban removed, which is fair enough. Wee done CAS.
Training and promotional ban removed, which is fair enough. Wee done CAS.
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