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[BWFC_Insane]

You bought them, and you keep picking them.

He didn't sign Bogdan.
He didn't sign Knight.
He didn't sign Ricketts
He didn't sign Lee.
He didn't sign Mark Davies
He didn't sign Davies.

He's given all of them new contracts though!

[Ianmooreslovechild]

You bought them, and you keep picking them.

He didn't sign Bogdan.
He didn't sign Knight.
He didn't sign Ricketts
He didn't sign Lee.
He didn't sign Mark Davies
He didn't sign Davies.

Erm you realise you are highlighting that he didnt sign our better players.Are you trying to have an argument with yourself?

[Whookam]

His blunder to game rate is pretty high considering and that's not the kind of thing that tends to vary much in a keeper's career.

ooh - where do I find the comparative blunders-per-game stats??

Oh I'm sorry for not toeing the party line again.

Bogdan is the best keeper in the world innit.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

You bought them, and you keep picking them.

He didn't sign Bogdan.
He didn't sign Knight.
He didn't sign Ricketts
He didn't sign Lee.
He didn't sign Mark Davies
He didn't sign Davies.

Knight he gave a new contract to and didn't release
Ricketts fair enough
Lee fair enough
Mavies he gave a new contract to and turned down a fair amount of cash for
SKD he gave a new contract to

I don't get what point you're trying to make. This squad is unequivocally Coyle's. He has had the time and resources to get rid/keep/buy/loan as he felt was needed. He hasn't had the biggest budget, but a bigger one than many.

[BL3]

Erm you realise you are highlighting that he didnt sign our better players.Are you trying to have an argument with yourself?

No i'm highlighting the fact that he's being blamed for buying those 'better' players who turned in the performance at Hull. Try to keep up.

[BWFC_Insane]

Erm you realise you are highlighting that he didnt sign our better players.Are you trying to have an argument with yourself?

No i'm highlighting the fact that he's being blamed for buying those 'better' players who turned in the performance at Hull. Try to keep up.

I think you're just digging a deeper, darker and bigger hole Owen........

[BL3]

BWFC_Inane would be more appropriate.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Erm you realise you are highlighting that he didnt sign our better players.Are you trying to have an argument with yourself?

No i'm highlighting the fact that he's being blamed for buying those 'better' players who turned in the performance at Hull. Try to keep up.

Sorry I'm a bit slow.You're right coyle shouldnt be blamed for signing the better players in our squad who didnt play well at Hull but are still probably our better players.

Got it. Think I'm up to speed now. Carry on.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

BWFC_Inane would be more appropriate.

Do we have to go down this road?

[BL3]

You're right coyle shouldnt be blamed for signing the better players in our squad who didnt play well at Hull but are still probably our better players.

Our 'better' players played in a system which, according to all the online experts, they would be more comfortable with. They then turned in the worst performance of the season. When does it become their fault?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

You're right coyle shouldnt be blamed for signing the better players in our squad who didnt play well at Hull but are still probably our better players.

Our 'better' players played in a system which, according to all the online experts, they would be more comfortable with. They then turned in the worst performance of the season. When does it become their fault?

Somewhere between black and white there is a colour called grey.

I believe 451 is a better system for the players he has( not with mavis in the hole tho and not the way he set it up at Hull). But no system works when players are out of confidence.Yes you can blame players they are pros and have a responsibility but they are a group and dynamics are massive in such things.

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present. The body language is awful.There is no belief.

If they no longer have belief and are underperforming you cannot just sack the team can you? Ultimately the morale and attitude of the team IS the managers responsibility.That is why people are looking at coyle.

I dont believe the players want to play for him and I dont believe they listen to him anymore.Even players coming in and initially looking bright seem within weeks to take on the same hopeless ready to fail attitude of the rest.

They need organising and they need a fresh voice,they need leadership and decision making that at least has some degree of logic behind it.

I cant see how coyle can provide what that group of players now need to get them out of the rut they are in.He's just a shouty grey part of the wallpaper that doesnt have any impact on them and doesnt seem to offer them any means of sorting things out.

[truewhite15]

You're right coyle shouldnt be blamed for signing the better players in our squad who didnt play well at Hull but are still probably our better players.

Our 'better' players played in a system which, according to all the online experts, they would be more comfortable with. They then turned in the worst performance of the season. When does it become their fault?

You're expressing your utter ignorance here. Repeatedly. Coyle could play a 10-0-0 formation, and we'd still be conceding two per game, because he is USELESS at COACHING players to DEFEND.

Yes, the players are underperforming. No, they're not immune to criticism. However, as Coyle has signed ALL of them, either by buying or signing new contracts, and then CHOOSES to PLAY them, that makes it HIS fault. As the players are underperforming, it is the managers job to TURN THAT AROUND or to DROP THEM. Coyle is incapable of the first. So he drops them. And the people who come in suffer from the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS. Which means the manager HAS to turn it around. But he can't. So it's HIS fault.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Goals are watchable on the iPlayer (UK only, I think) at about 31'40" in.

First one's a deflection, second one's a corner, third one's an embarrassment. None of them are due to formation, unlike the goals scored by Crawley and countless painful others.

[BL3]

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present.

He's given them all a chance. He's tried two different systems. They are more than good enough to win this league. At some point they need to step up and take some responsibility. Defending in the way we did on Saturday is down to players not doing their jobs properly, it's not down to tactics. As for them no longer wanting to play for the manager. That's the sort of conspiracy theory that only has any credibility on message boards like these.

[BWFC_Insane]

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present.

He's given them all a chance. He's tried two different systems. They are more than good enough to win this league. At some point they need to step up and take some responsibility. Defending in the way we did on Saturday is down to players not doing their jobs properly, it's not down to tactics. As for them no longer wanting to play for the manager. That's the sort of conspiracy theory that only has any credibility on message boards like these.

But answer the question I asked yesterday. At what point, do the club need to change things if they carry on as they are? If 20 or so players continue to underperform at what point would YOU say, time for a change in manager?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present.

He's given them all a chance. He's tried two different systems. They are more than good enough to win this league. At some point they need to step up and take some responsibility. Defending in the way we did on Saturday is down to players not doing their jobs properly, it's not down to tactics. As for them no longer wanting to play for the manager. That's the sort of conspiracy theory that only has any credibility on message boards like these.

America did not land men on the Moon.
The CIA shot Kennedy.
It's NOT Coyle's fault.
Mossad flew the planes into the twin towers.
Area 51 is stuffed full of alien corpses.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Goals are watchable on the iPlayer (UK only, I think) at about 31'40" in.

First one's a deflection, second one's a corner, third one's an embarrassment. None of them are due to formation, unlike the goals scored by Crawley and countless painful others.

I've avoided watching them until now but i'm heading off to do so now thanks for the link.

(i'm scared...)

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present.

He's given them all a chance. He's tried two different systems. They are more than good enough to win this league. At some point they need to step up and take some responsibility. Defending in the way we did on Saturday is down to players not doing their jobs properly, it's not down to tactics. As for them no longer wanting to play for the manager. That's the sort of conspiracy theory that only has any credibility on message boards like these.

Really? Ok tell me then what happens next.

I assume Owen has already asked the players to try harder and do their jobs properly. Infact I think he's been asking that for 18 months and somehow for some reason which has nothing to do with coyle and his tactics/signings/ manmanagement it hasnt quite worked.

I guess he's just been unlucky but hey luck can change right?

[truewhite15]

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present.

He's given them all a chance. He's tried two different systems. They are more than good enough to win this league. At some point they need to step up and take some responsibility. Defending in the way we did on Saturday is down to players not doing their jobs properly, it's not down to tactics. As for them no longer wanting to play for the manager. That's the sort of conspiracy theory that only has any credibility on message boards like these.

Yes, defending is down to the players doing their jobs. Defending poorly in a game is down to the players NOT doing their jobs. Defending poorly for EIGHTEEN BASTARD MONTHS is down to the fcukwit in charge not doing his job properly, and not arranging the team tactically enough to provide protection to the defence.

[Worthy4England]

Like others I think as a group they should be competing better and playing better because they are better than what they are showing at present.

He's given them all a chance. He's tried two different systems. They are more than good enough to win this league. At some point they need to step up and take some responsibility. Defending in the way we did on Saturday is down to players not doing their jobs properly, it's not down to tactics. As for them no longer wanting to play for the manager. That's the sort of conspiracy theory that only has any credibility on message boards like these.

Yes, defending is down to the players doing their jobs. Defending poorly in a game is down to the players NOT doing their jobs. Defending poorly for EIGHTEEN BASTARD MONTHS is down to the fcukwit in charge not doing his job properly, and not arranging the team tactically enough to provide protection to the defence.

Apparently, iirc, the only place there's any expression of malcontent with the manager is on message boards like these too. As evidenced quite clearly at the message board called the KC Stadium.