Now he's gone, who's next?

[thebish]

Perhaps he'll take another gamble. But I'd be surprised.

i thought the mood music from the reebok was that we were interested in a young and upcoming manager... so - maybe Eddie's more of a gambler than you think he is...

there are also reports (how reliable I have no idea) which say that Eddie kind of vetoed Gartstide's impulse to put McCarthy at the top of the list...

[m_taylor]

Mick Mcarthy is just more of the same-old-same-old. If he's being considered on merit, then there really isn't much of an argument against us also approaching Graeme Souness et al. If he's being considered for reasons of hope triumphing over experience, then you'd have to go with either Appleton or OGS just on the lift it would provide. Rather than a resigned groan.

But thats what we did with Coyle, it didn't work.

Nowt wrong with getting a young manager, so long as they are a good one. And that requires judgement.

As for Appleton, he'll be far worse received by our fans than big Mick.

McCarthy has been second on most polls for who fans want.

And I'm not hoping for McCarthy at all. I could understand his appointment.

I could understand OGS or Appleton or Billy Davies.

They'd all make sense in their own way. They all represent different risks.

My question is more all these people hoping for OGS, cos they know little about him as a manager is strange.

McCarthy may have been around a bit, and unquestionably isn't exciting. But do we need excitement, or someone who definitely knows what they're doing in this division?

Its a genuine question, not offering an opinion either way.

that's all clear - and I think most people seem grudgingly to be in the "if Mad Mick came - then I wouldn't be excited but I would understand it" camp.

so - my other question - is there a realistic candidate whose appointment WOULD excite you?

Not really. But I'm not bothered about excitement "on an appointment". We went through all that stuff with Coyle.

The manager can be dour, predictable, dull but it'll be plenty exciting if he took us back up.

I will be surprised if McCarthy doesn't ultimately get the job. If you were Eddie Davies having just spent a fair bit to get rid of someone you initially thought was a long term manager and invested in his backroom staff etc. Would you, go for another risk in the same mould, and one you'd have to pay for at that, OR go for someone that has a track record of promotion, and generally is a safe (if ultimately limited) pair of hands?

Perhaps he'll take another gamble. But I'd be surprised.

Why not do both, try to get Holloway from Blackpool, spend money on someone in my eyes gets his team playing good football, knows the division and excites the fans. It's unlikely but bloody try as its the only person who fits all three.

[Dartisan]

OGS (which appears to be now what we're calling him and I don't approve) is a dirty filthy red. This is an important fact which requires further scrutiny before any decision is made.

It would however mean we could move seamlessly, with a it of continuity, from OCSWA to OGSSWA...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Another thing is, a sign saying "Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's Super White Army" is going to cost a fortune and may not even fit across the North Stand

We defo could not afford that. Say no to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Ole's Super White Army?

[BWFC_Insane]

Sorry, I'm still not getting this. The last 2 seasons before this Coyle performed better than Mcarthy at a similar sized club in the same division. Why exactly is he less of a gamble than a man who he was worse than? I need to understand how that logic works.

He's taken two clubs similar to ourselves up into the premiership.

He has therefore a track record for doing that.

We are 18th in the championship.

We need someone to take us up.

OGS could be the next Sammy Lee for all anyone knows.

With Mick you know he can achieve promotion (whether he can here is the test) with OGS you're almost taking a stab in the dark.

Not my money, so I'll let Eddie decide....

[Lord Kangana]

The last time Owen Coyle was at this level he took a club up. Indeed, his % track record is far better than McCarthy's at doing so.

So, the question remains, why is he less of a gamble?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Coyle has 'proved' he can get a club of a not overly dissimilar sort to us promoted. Shall we hire him?

[Lord Kangana]

Exactly. He wouldn't be a gamble would he, what with his track record of getting clubs up.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

There is also the phrase "past performance does not necessarily dictate future performance".

[Lord Kangana]

Indeed. So why would OGS prove to be any more of a gamble than MM? (Just for you Crazy)

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Mick McCarthy does NOT do wiff waff. So there.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Mick McCarthy is gritty, determined, speaks proper English and proper sense, is not a fascist badge kissing commie bast**d Manc budgie shagger, and is available, at a reasonable price.

[thebish]

Mick McCarthy is gritty, determined, speaks proper English and proper sense, is not a fascist badge kissing commie bast**d Manc budgie shagger, and is available, at a reasonable price.

what price is that then?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Mick McCarthy is gritty, determined, speaks proper English and proper sense, is not a fascist badge kissing commie bast**d Manc budgie shagger, and is available, at a reasonable price.

what price is that then?

I don't know, but he's unemployed. What's minimum wage these days, we could start with that and negotiate.

[Lord Kangana]

Downwards?

[thebish]

Mick McCarthy is gritty, determined, speaks proper English and proper sense, is not a fascist badge kissing commie bast**d Manc budgie shagger, and is available, at a reasonable price.

what price is that then?

I don't know, but he's unemployed. What's minimum wage these days, we could start with that and negotiate.

except that he's "gritty and determined"!!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

[thebish]

whereas OGS is tiny and therefore a pushover in any negotiations over salary.

[BWFC_Insane]

The last time Owen Coyle was at this level he took a club up. Indeed, his % track record is far better than McCarthy's at doing so.

So, the question remains, why is he less of a gamble?

But Coyle had us 18th. So wasn't doing so. And his performance over the past 54 games, which is a sizeable chunk was a ppg average of 0.93.

We sacked him for that reason. Not because of what he did before, his track record or anything else, but because his record with US over the last 50 plus games has been terrible and there were no signs it was going to get any better.

So putting that aside, we now have a choice of a manager who has taken more than one team up from this division.

Or a young, possibly promising manager doing great things in Norway, but unproven in circumstances that he would find himself in here.

One is certainly on paper a bigger gamble than the other. It might have higher reward, but is higher risk.

If Eddie wants to take the risk, in the hope of a bigger reward, great. I'd be surprised, but its his money, not mine.

[claus jensens guitar]

Sorry, I'm still not getting this. The last 2 seasons before this Coyle performed better than Mcarthy at a similar sized club in the same division. Why exactly is he less of a gamble than a man who he was worse than? I need to understand how that logic works.

Your being very harsh on Mick McCarthy!

He didn't get Wolves relegated. He could have kept them in the Premiership for 3 consecutive seasons.
Wolves were level on points with QPR in 16th when his crazy chairman replaced him with Terry O'Connor.

With 3 wins against us / Blackburn / Wigan (& the 4 draws Terry O'Connor actually achieved) they would have the required *13 points from the remaining 13 games to be safe.

*We would have finished with 3 less.

Also, McCarthy has the experience of taking a side (Sunderland) on a downward spiral and turning them around.