Rumour has it.............

[LeverEnd]

Haha! Did occur to me.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11 ... 14/?ref=mr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does this Bonnar bloke go drinking with Freedman or does he just drink?

What a piss poor summary of Freedman's time here!

[Enoch]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11 ... 14/?ref=mr

Does this Bonnar bloke go drinking with Freedman or does he just drink?

What a piss poor summary of Freedman's time here!

That from someone that thinks the Russian revolution was a success.

[Lord Kangana]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

[Jugs]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

Indeed.

[Montreal Wanderer]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

I suspect the percentage of general population killed (executed, purged, murdered, etc.) in peacetime was greater under Stalin than Nicholas II. I suspect a greater number died of starvation as a result of government planning too. However, I have not looked up any statistics and do not know this to be true.

[William the White]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

I suspect the percentage of general population killed (executed, purged, murdered, etc.) in peacetime was greater under Stalin than Nicholas II. I suspect a greater number died of starvation as a result of government planning too. However, I have not looked up any statistics and do not know this to be true.

I'd say it was almost certainly true that Stalin executed, purged and murdered more than all the Romanovs put together... Though it is fairly obvious that this does not make the Romanovs a Good Thing...

[TonyDomingos]

So, are we signing this Romanov or not?

[jaffka]

Feck royalty, get the commons mon in

[Montreal Wanderer]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

I suspect the percentage of general population killed (executed, purged, murdered, etc.) in peacetime was greater under Stalin than Nicholas II. I suspect a greater number died of starvation as a result of government planning too. However, I have not looked up any statistics and do not know this to be true.

I'd say it was almost certainly true that Stalin executed, purged and murdered more than all the Romanovs put together... Though it is fairly obvious that this does not make the Romanovs a Good Thing...

Indeed, not a Good Thing but the challenge was in essence to name one thing that was better under the Romanovs and I thought of the sanctity and certainty of life.

[Hoboh]

Then we'd better sign Stalin

[Lord Kangana]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

I suspect the percentage of general population killed (executed, purged, murdered, etc.) in peacetime was greater under Stalin than Nicholas II. I suspect a greater number died of starvation as a result of government planning too. However, I have not looked up any statistics and do not know this to be true.

I'd say it was almost certainly true that Stalin executed, purged and murdered more than all the Romanovs put together... Though it is fairly obvious that this does not make the Romanovs a Good Thing...

Indeed, not a Good Thing but the challenge was in essence to name one thing that was better under the Romanovs and I thought of the sanctity and certainty of life.

I would suggest that reliable statistics for the Romanov's disastrous reign are a little thin on the ground, what with 95% of the population being inconsequential proles.

I would also suggest that the success of a revolution, indeed its existence at all, is wholly down to the poor quality of life preceding it. If life was significantly much worse for people under Stalin, why didn't they just have a second revolution? After all, they'd had the practice, they knew how to overthrow oppressive and violent regimes.


And just to play the pedant, I asked for positive aspects. Killing a few less people isn't a positive.

[Montreal Wanderer]

What positive aspects of the absolute Monarchy of the Tsars suggests that it wasn't?

I suspect the percentage of general population killed (executed, purged, murdered, etc.) in peacetime was greater under Stalin than Nicholas II. I suspect a greater number died of starvation as a result of government planning too. However, I have not looked up any statistics and do not know this to be true.

I'd say it was almost certainly true that Stalin executed, purged and murdered more than all the Romanovs put together... Though it is fairly obvious that this does not make the Romanovs a Good Thing...

Indeed, not a Good Thing but the challenge was in essence to name one thing that was better under the Romanovs and I thought of the sanctity and certainty of life.

I would suggest that reliable statistics for the Romanov's disastrous reign are a little thin on the ground, what with 95% of the population being inconsequential proles.

I would also suggest that the success of a revolution, indeed its existence at all, is wholly down to the poor quality of life preceding it. If life was significantly much worse for people under Stalin, why didn't they just have a second revolution? After all, they'd had the practice, they knew how to overthrow oppressive and violent regimes.


And just to play the pedant, I asked for positive aspects. Killing a few less people isn't a positive.

I imagine it was a lot less people and would be perceived as positive by them and their relatives. Non-military unnatural deaths under Nicholas in the Khodynka Tragedy,the pogroms, Bloody Sunday and the 1905 Revolution suppression were numbered in the thousands, to which were added 3.3 million soldiers in WW1. Under Stalin the most reliable estimates place this number around 30 million, plus another 20 million deaths in WW2 (The lowest estimated for non-military unnatural deaths is 20 million and the highest over 60 million). Nicholas tended to imprison dissidents (including Lenin), while Stalin preferred execution.

The success of the revolution depended on Russia losing big time in WW1. This created the climate where revolution and civil war was possible. Had the Soviet Union lost in WW2 and been forced to sign a humiliating peace I suspect Stalin's reign would have been shorter. I also tend to believe the average Russian prole would have been more terrified of Stalin than good old Nick, and much less prone to voice discontent.

On reflection I wouldn't particularly like to have lived under either regime....

[Riviman]

And there was me clicking on this thread because I thought that there was a rumour we were in for a player and I get 2 pages of in-depth discussion about Russian political history !

[TKIZ!]

Happy New Year to you all.

Nick Kuipers, (22) 6ft 3in Dutch man from MAA Maastrict has been taken on trial, Kuipers is out of contract at the end of the season and about four or five other Championship teams were looking to sign him also. NL will take 10 days to assess the player, source was Burnden Aces

[EverSoYouri]

Happy New Year to you all.

Nick Kuipers, (22) 6ft 3in Dutch man from MAA Maastrict has been taken on trial, Kuipers is out of contract at the end of the season and about four or five other Championship teams were looking to sign him also. NL will take 10 days to assess the player, source was Burnden Aces

Would that be Tsar Nikolai Kuipers? Or am I getting confused..?

[Lord Kangana]

Commissar NiKolai Kuipers, comrade if you please.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Happy New Year to you all.

Nick Kuipers, (22) 6ft 3in Dutch man from MAA Maastrict has been taken on trial, Kuipers is out of contract at the end of the season and about four or five other Championship teams were looking to sign him also. NL will take 10 days to assess the player, source was Burnden Aces

There are two Nick Kuipers and a Nicky Kuiper. Nicky is the one without a contract. Nick from Maastrict is a central defender, while the other two are left backs. All a bit confusing.

[TANGODANCER]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... k_Kuipers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

Happy New Year to you all.

Nick Kuipers, (22) 6ft 3in Dutch man from MAA Maastrict has been taken on trial, Kuipers is out of contract at the end of the season and about four or five other Championship teams were looking to sign him also. NL will take 10 days to assess the player, source was Burnden Aces

yayyyy!! would his signing mean we could start up the famous fish-pun threads again???