poll where are the people who think OC is any good

[norm the jedi]

I would have thought there was powerful evidence on which to construct the case against without resorting to revisionist fiction
'high risk friendliest' lmao
Did we not have an upright Muamba and Pratley in Jan? Are they not defensive mid types? Personally
I don't much care for Pratley but he was here! Or were they pretending to be injured with the others, feck me Muamba must get a bafta cos until I read that I was sure he'd been dead for 78 minutes..? But now... And how did Mears manage to break his own leg?
I've never seen that much bollocks crammed into so few paragraphs, unless you're Richard littlejohn ?

[jimbo]

There's a suggestion that a lot of folk think Coyle is doing a good job..
stand up and be counted..

I don't think the intenet has reached Burnley yet, so that plea will fall on deaf ears.

[wanderers_on_tour]

I am firmly in the must be fired from a cannon camp together with his chums, hopefully pointed in the direction of Scotland.

Some could see what was happening over a year ago. The biggest supposed attribute was Coyles motivational ability. It hasn't worked, if indeed it ever did, for over a year. There are some managers who you can see have the kernel of something worth sticking with even though their team may be struggling at a point. Coyle has used up all his excuses.

I believe that apart from the shite coaching/training and the astonishingly inept tactical decisions he may well now irritate the majority of the squad to such a degree that they are actually demotivated by a combination of that ineptitude and his happy clappy temperance loving attitude. Ah you say, but surely they are very well paid individuals who should put up with any amount of shit from a clueless tit. But no one else in another type of job would if they could see it was damaging their credibility with future employers. No, they would want to get out and move to another employer but they cant if they are tied into a term contract. So the only way for a footballer to protest if the idiots in charge do not wish to hear is to play poorly or feign injury. Perhaps. Sounds a bit far fetched but I would have said the current prospect was also far fetched only just over a year ago.

To those who say we wouldn't be in this position if we had CYL and Holden playing regularly, just ask yourself why both have been out for a season or more. Injuries caused by thoughtless selection in high risk friendlies or aggravated by being brought back too early after a hugely damaging injury. No satisfactory replacement signed in January for Holden despite NRC being the only available defensive midfielder Coyle seems to rate enough to play until he is broken too.

The whole team management set up is amateurish. If I didn't know differently it would be almost plausible to believe that the whole scenario had been deliberately planned to cut the cost base of the club in half ready for a quick return as a leaner meaner team.

We are going down and there will be no immediate happy return from a year in the Championship wilderness with this clown in charge.

Like it or not the only reason these pre-season friendlies take place is to provide fitness and mental sharpness for the first team eleven. If Coyle hadn't played Lee, or any of our best eleven, in the pre season friendlies then they would have been woefully off the pace and even more unfit then they've already shown! I also feel Holden's case was a bit of an anominally and although I cant recall 100% (although some others on here may be able to divulge further) i'm pretty sure Holden's second injury had nowt to do with him being pushed through the doors to soon. If IRC it was just a second un-diagnosed leg (snap/break/tear/summat or other) that had nowt to do with him featuring in any reserve matches or any behind the scenes friendlies.

In hindsight we should have got in a straight replacement for Holden at the beginning of the season, or adjusted our tactics accordingly, but during the January window we had NRC/Pratley/Muamba (so 2 defensive midfielders) and even Davies (rightly or wrongly) competing for a place in 2 midfield berths.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

getting a bit sick of this now.
wtf has Coyle being Scottish got to do with it?

[Hoboh]

I've voted!

Anybody except the twunk we've got!!! Megson was a least more honest!

[Puskas]

Our last manager had a good record of getting sides promoted.

This is what the kids call "Complete and utter bollocks".

Megson has been in management for 17 years. In that time, he's managed promotion twice - yes, count them, twice - both time with West Brom (2002 and 2004). He's been relegated three times, including taking Forest down to the third division for the first time in their history. Is that really a good record of getting sides promoted?

Simply because Coyle's shite, doesn't mean his predecessor wasn't shite as well.

[Jakerbeef]

getting a bit sick of this now.
wtf has Coyle being Scottish got to do with it?

I dunno, maybe it just adds insult to injury. (This coming from a scot!)

Though it doesn't seem to affect Supa John...

[FaninOz]

There's a suggestion that a lot of folk think Coyle is doing a good job..
stand up and be counted..

Saying its not all his fault is sitting on the fence though.

He's either a good manager or he's not. Just an attempt the fudge the issue.

Hes either a manager you want to be in charge of your club or he isn't.

and you want him to be in charge of the club at the start of next season - you've made that clear.

I don't. I just think due to his ineptitude weve got little choice given eddies going to foot the bill of relegation.

If I had enough money to run the club he's be out on his arse. Well he'd have gone in November.

I think you are sitting on the fence... would you sack him or not? it's a simple question - but you are avoiding it.

But that wasn't the question was it!! A manager is only as good as his players and many of ours just aren't good enough, plus the injuries, hence why I voted number 3 for me.

But if the question had been should we sack him I would have said yes but who would we get in his place, Megson???

Coyle did well in the Championship with Burnley and he may do well with us, but only if we get some better players. Fitter, fast and with much better ball control and passing skills. But then again Vaz Te is lighting up the Chamionship with West Ham so perhaps some of our cloggers may do so as well

[Andy Waller]

From all those who think he is a good manager, I'd like to see what they think he brings to BWFC.

It's alright going on about injuries, but he's had time and money to replace key injuries.

On Sunday, we were rubbish again, we couldn't even take advantage of a massive slice of luck against a team with nothing to play for!

[bedwetter2]

I would have thought there was powerful evidence on which to construct the case against without resorting to revisionist fiction
'high risk friendliest' lmao
Did we not have an upright Muamba and Pratley in Jan? Are they not defensive mid types? Personally
I don't much care for Pratley but he was here! Or were they pretending to be injured with the others, feck me Muamba must get a bafta cos until I read that I was sure he'd been dead for 78 minutes..? But now... And how did Mears manage to break his own leg?
I've never seen that much bollocks crammed into so few paragraphs, unless you're Richard littlejohn ?

Pratley was purchased as an attacking midfielder, mainly for his goal-scoring record, as far as I can ascertain. The friendly against Newport County would certainly be high risk in my opinion, as would friendlies against other non-league opposition such as Chorley or Radcliffe. Why risk one or both of our best players in such a meaningless game - previous managers have played reserves/youth against such sides with good reason.

Muamba would certainly have been classed as a defensive midfielder so I deliberately didn't mention him as one of Coyle's crazy strategic decisions although we all know he wasn't exactly favoured with an automatic starting place before he had his terrible problem. Mears had his leg broken on the training ground by that big useless fanny Knight, according to the club PR people. Again, there was not much point in pointing to a peripheral right back who did have plenty of cover as one of Clueless' more hilarious decisions.

No, you are right to say there is evidence enough to condemn Clueless already. But to say that some of my points about inconsistencies are bollocks means that you do have a prosaic approach to our current situation which only highlights your own unquestioning acceptance of an official version which may - I stress, may - be as much bollocks as you or I have ever written on the subject of BWFC.

[BWFC_Insane]

The major injuries we've had this year are just bad luck. Plain and simple. All teams play friendlies, against lower teams, the LCY injury was just awful, rotten luck. Same with Wheater, went to clear the ball....bang. Mears, well we don't know the full situation but I'm assuming given we don't lose a player in training every week that was bad luck as well.

The recovery periods for these players though and the number of muscular strains and injuries we seem to have had this season, especially the recurrent ones, I'd begin to question the medical staff and fitness people we have at the club. Too many have tweaked hamstrings and calves, and then been back, then out again. Too many have returned from injury for a week then broken down again (and not just major injuries either, Mears was back then out, then back for the ressies then injured again, Eaves has been similar I think, and Steinsson the same). I question whether we've got the same level of expertise we once had in the fitness, medical and sports science areas.

Irrespective of all that, the fact that we visibly are knacked with 15-20 minutes to go in games, is absolutely shocking and needs addressing for next season, one way or another.

[bedwetter2]

getting a bit sick of this now.
wtf has Coyle being Scottish got to do with it?

I dunno, maybe it just adds insult to injury. (This coming from a scot!)

Though it doesn't seem to affect Supa John...

It's got nothing at all to do with it apart from managing a team in the Scottish first division being his natural level so that is where he should be fired back to. Plus Supa John and Andy Walker are both heroes and will never be forgotten.

[bedwetter2]

The major injuries we've had this year are just bad luck. Plain and simple. All teams play friendlies, against lower teams, the LCY injury was just awful, rotten luck. Same with Wheater, went to clear the ball....bang. Mears, well we don't know the full situation but I'm assuming given we don't lose a player in training every week that was bad luck as well.

The recovery periods for these players though and the number of muscular strains and injuries we seem to have had this season, especially the recurrent ones, I'd begin to question the medical staff and fitness people we have at the club. Too many have tweaked hamstrings and calves, and then been back, then out again. Too many have returned from injury for a week then broken down again (and not just major injuries either, Mears was back then out, then back for the ressies then injured again, Eaves has been similar I think, and Steinsson the same). I question whether we've got the same level of expertise we once had in the fitness, medical and sports science areas.

Irrespective of all that, the fact that we visibly are knacked with 15-20 minutes to go in games, is absolutely shocking and needs addressing for next season, one way or another.

Yes all teams play friendlies and in the main they are a means of getting players up to speed after a short summer lay-off. What most teams in the Barclays Premier League do not do is put their most valued and skilled players into a meaningless game against unskilled part-time cloggers who may not have the discipline or nous not to get carried away. You match your players in friendlies to the level of competition, or at least most Barclays Premier League managers with elite players in their squads do that

You are certainly on to something regarding the general level of fitness and a lack of immunity to the smaller niggling injuries but that was part of the point I was making about whether most of the squad is demotivated by Clueless and just as in games they may go hiding or not want the ball they also want to go hiding by being out injured. HWSNBN had lost the dressing room and that came out clearly from a few players after he had gone. I wonder what we shall eventually hear about Clueless when he eventually heads off?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I wonder what we shall eventually hear about Clueless when he eventually heads off?

Not a fat lot, given the level of players (you think they'll have autobiography deals?) and the lack of Explosive Evidence post-Megson

[bedwetter2]

I wonder what we shall eventually hear about Clueless when he eventually heads off?

Not a fat lot, given the level of players (you think they'll have autobiography deals?) and the lack of Explosive Evidence post-Megson

O oh, you mentioned that name. As if we haven't got enough bad luck as it is

[norm the jedi]

I would have thought there was powerful evidence on which to construct the case against without resorting to revisionist fiction
'high risk friendliest' lmao
Did we not have an upright Muamba and Pratley in Jan? Are they not defensive mid types? Personally
I don't much care for Pratley but he was here! Or were they pretending to be injured with the others, feck me Muamba must get a bafta cos until I read that I was sure he'd been dead for 78 minutes..? But now... And how did Mears manage to break his own leg?
I've never seen that much bollocks crammed into so few paragraphs, unless you're Richard littlejohn ?

Pratley was purchased as an attacking midfielder, mainly for his goal-scoring record, as far as I can ascertain. The friendly against Newport County would certainly be high risk in my opinion, as would friendlies against other non-league opposition such as Chorley or Radcliffe. Why risk one or both of our best players in such a meaningless game - previous managers have played reserves/youth against such sides with good reason.

Muamba would certainly have been classed as a defensive midfielder so I deliberately didn't mention him as one of Coyle's crazy strategic decisions although we all know he wasn't exactly favoured with an automatic starting place before he had his terrible problem. Mears had his leg broken on the training ground by that big useless fanny Knight, according to the club PR people. Again, there was not much point in pointing to a peripheral right back who did have plenty of cover as one of Clueless' more hilarious decisions.

No, you are right to say there is evidence enough to condemn Clueless already. But to say that some of my points about inconsistencies are bollocks means that you do have a prosaic approach to our current situation which only highlights your own unquestioning acceptance of an official version which may - I stress, may - be as much bollocks as you or I have ever written on the subject of BWFC.

Friendlies - we didn't get invited to the emirates cup or such - You take what you can get, football is a contact sport every challenge is potentially high risk.. five aside in cushioned zorbs won't get you fit for the season.. You can easily argue pitting top class against lower class opposition will allow for the thoroughbreds to operate at less than full on thus reducing risk? In sport as in life shit happens.. We have to play someone and as far as I recall do trot a lot of youth and fringe reserves in pre season. In sport as in life - Shit happens..
Holden went to a renowned specialist and seems to have been misdiagnosed such that an underlying injury was missed and actually aggravated by the rehab for the apparent injury.. Shit happens.. my source for that is holdens own twitter and interviews, [assuming it was him?]
Midfield - we had cover Pratley was available, attaked minded he may be, Vela seems similarly inclined but not using him on Sunday in a defensive role is held up on here as OC's lack of ability.. If Vela was the answer Sunday? Pratley was available as defensive mid.. as ever cake - eat it everyone wants it all ways and will filter it to fit an arguement
injuries - with advanced diagnostic available it's quite difficult to "feign' meaningful injury..
See Mears..
Prosaic? unromantic and lacking poetic beauty.?. I'll plead to pragmatic.. what will be will be..
i'll leave concocting bizarre conspiracy theories in the complete absence of scant available evidence to you..

[bedwetter2]

I would have thought there was powerful evidence on which to construct the case against without resorting to revisionist fiction
'high risk friendliest' lmao
Did we not have an upright Muamba and Pratley in Jan? Are they not defensive mid types? Personally
I don't much care for Pratley but he was here! Or were they pretending to be injured with the others, feck me Muamba must get a bafta cos until I read that I was sure he'd been dead for 78 minutes..? But now... And how did Mears manage to break his own leg?
I've never seen that much bollocks crammed into so few paragraphs, unless you're Richard littlejohn ?

Pratley was purchased as an attacking midfielder, mainly for his goal-scoring record, as far as I can ascertain. The friendly against Newport County would certainly be high risk in my opinion, as would friendlies against other non-league opposition such as Chorley or Radcliffe. Why risk one or both of our best players in such a meaningless game - previous managers have played reserves/youth against such sides with good reason.

Muamba would certainly have been classed as a defensive midfielder so I deliberately didn't mention him as one of Coyle's crazy strategic decisions although we all know he wasn't exactly favoured with an automatic starting place before he had his terrible problem. Mears had his leg broken on the training ground by that big useless fanny Knight, according to the club PR people. Again, there was not much point in pointing to a peripheral right back who did have plenty of cover as one of Clueless' more hilarious decisions.

No, you are right to say there is evidence enough to condemn Clueless already. But to say that some of my points about inconsistencies are bollocks means that you do have a prosaic approach to our current situation which only highlights your own unquestioning acceptance of an official version which may - I stress, may - be as much bollocks as you or I have ever written on the subject of BWFC.

Friendlies - we didn't get invited to the emirates cup or such - You take what you can get, football is a contact sport every challenge is potentially high risk.. five aside in cushioned zorbs won't get you fit for the season.. You can easily argue pitting top class against lower class opposition will allow for the thoroughbreds to operate at less than full on thus reducing risk? In sport as in life shit happens.. We have to play someone and as far as I recall do trot a lot of youth and fringe reserves in pre season. In sport as in life - Shit happens..
Holden went to a renowned specialist and seems to have been misdiagnosed such that an underlying injury was missed and actually aggravated by the rehab for the apparent injury.. Shit happens.. my source for that is holdens own twitter and interviews, [assuming it was him?]
Midfield - we had cover Pratley was available, attaked minded he may be, Vela seems similarly inclined but not using him on Sunday in a defensive role is held up on here as OC's lack of ability.. If Vela was the answer Sunday? Pratley was available as defensive mid.. as ever cake - eat it everyone wants it all ways and will filter it to fit an arguement
injuries - with advanced diagnostic available it's quite difficult to "feign' meaningful injury..
See Mears..
Prosaic? unromantic and lacking poetic beauty.?. I'll plead to pragmatic.. what will be will be..
i'll leave concocting bizarre conspiracy theories in the complete absence of scant available evidence to you..

I'm sure you really mean fatalistic. Which means that you would not actively seek to change anything. Aye, alright then

As for conspiracy theories, it has been mooted before by others that it may be in the club's interest to slash the wage bill in half which would be bloody difficult to do if we are still in the Barclays Premier League fielding any number of "elite" players.

[BWFC_Insane]

I would have thought there was powerful evidence on which to construct the case against without resorting to revisionist fiction
'high risk friendliest' lmao
Did we not have an upright Muamba and Pratley in Jan? Are they not defensive mid types? Personally
I don't much care for Pratley but he was here! Or were they pretending to be injured with the others, feck me Muamba must get a bafta cos until I read that I was sure he'd been dead for 78 minutes..? But now... And how did Mears manage to break his own leg?
I've never seen that much bollocks crammed into so few paragraphs, unless you're Richard littlejohn ?

Pratley was purchased as an attacking midfielder, mainly for his goal-scoring record, as far as I can ascertain. The friendly against Newport County would certainly be high risk in my opinion, as would friendlies against other non-league opposition such as Chorley or Radcliffe. Why risk one or both of our best players in such a meaningless game - previous managers have played reserves/youth against such sides with good reason.

Muamba would certainly have been classed as a defensive midfielder so I deliberately didn't mention him as one of Coyle's crazy strategic decisions although we all know he wasn't exactly favoured with an automatic starting place before he had his terrible problem. Mears had his leg broken on the training ground by that big useless fanny Knight, according to the club PR people. Again, there was not much point in pointing to a peripheral right back who did have plenty of cover as one of Clueless' more hilarious decisions.

No, you are right to say there is evidence enough to condemn Clueless already. But to say that some of my points about inconsistencies are bollocks means that you do have a prosaic approach to our current situation which only highlights your own unquestioning acceptance of an official version which may - I stress, may - be as much bollocks as you or I have ever written on the subject of BWFC.

Friendlies - we didn't get invited to the emirates cup or such - You take what you can get, football is a contact sport every challenge is potentially high risk.. five aside in cushioned zorbs won't get you fit for the season.. You can easily argue pitting top class against lower class opposition will allow for the thoroughbreds to operate at less than full on thus reducing risk? In sport as in life shit happens.. We have to play someone and as far as I recall do trot a lot of youth and fringe reserves in pre season. In sport as in life - Shit happens..
Holden went to a renowned specialist and seems to have been misdiagnosed such that an underlying injury was missed and actually aggravated by the rehab for the apparent injury.. Shit happens.. my source for that is holdens own twitter and interviews, [assuming it was him?]
Midfield - we had cover Pratley was available, attaked minded he may be, Vela seems similarly inclined but not using him on Sunday in a defensive role is held up on here as OC's lack of ability.. If Vela was the answer Sunday? Pratley was available as defensive mid.. as ever cake - eat it everyone wants it all ways and will filter it to fit an arguement
injuries - with advanced diagnostic available it's quite difficult to "feign' meaningful injury..
See Mears..
Prosaic? unromantic and lacking poetic beauty.?. I'll plead to pragmatic.. what will be will be..
i'll leave concocting bizarre conspiracy theories in the complete absence of scant available evidence to you..

The big issue was energy. Vela would have added legs and running into a central midfield that was clearly knackered. Not ideal, but I'd say essential if we were to hang on.

[Lord Kangana]

Yeah, because if he'd thrown a kid on and we'd still have conceded that would have changed everyones reaction.

[boltonboris]

It would've shown that the gaffer could at least see what needed changing though.