Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

[malcd1]

Interesting and impressive interview with David Flitcroft in today's Guardian.

Puts me in mind of a young Rioch - lots of positivity and energy, changing the culture at the club from top to bottom, making sure the players, administrators and fans know what he's trying to do and support him.

One for the future?

I must admit I was pretty impressed with the way Bury play at the Macron. They played a high tempo game and passed the ball much better than us.

However, I remember Freedman saying something similar when he first joined us. Talk is cheap.

[EverSoYouri]

Related to the (ever-enlightening) exchanges I had with Abdulaye's Twin a few pages back, anticipation of the imminent appointment of Lennon (or Hughton?) should be tempered by the following considerations:.

So, lemmie get this right. It could all be rumour, innuendo and protecting business interests????

So we're really in talks with Guardiola and Klopp not Lennon or Hughton????

I'll settle for that. Thanks for brightening my day up!

... or Megson & Coyle, Wilkinson, Di Caio, Reid, Sammy Lee, George Mullhall or Stan Anderson.

Thanks!

Mock all you like, but I've just seen John McGovern in Nandos at Middlebrook, a large suitcase by the side of his table and a string bag of old-fashioned casies on the chair opposite. (#WildRumoursRUs)

[EverSoYouri]

Interesting and impressive interview with David Flitcroft in today's Guardian.

Puts me in mind of a young Rioch - lots of positivity and energy, changing the culture at the club from top to bottom, making sure the players, administrators and fans know what he's trying to do and support him.

One for the future?

I must admit I was pretty impressed with the way Bury play at the Macron. They played a high tempo game and passed the ball much better than us.

However, I remember Freedman saying something similar when he first joined us. Talk is cheap.

Just as well really, or this site would be costing us a fortune!

[Worthy4England]

Related to the (ever-enlightening) exchanges I had with Abdulaye's Twin a few pages back, anticipation of the imminent appointment of Lennon (or Hughton?) should be tempered by the following considerations:.

So, lemmie get this right. It could all be rumour, innuendo and protecting business interests????

So we're really in talks with Guardiola and Klopp not Lennon or Hughton????

I'll settle for that. Thanks for brightening my day up!

... or Megson & Coyle, Wilkinson, Di Caio, Reid, Sammy Lee, George Mullhall or Stan Anderson.

Thanks!

Mock all you like, but I've just seen John McGovern in Nandos at Middlebrook, a large suitcase by the side of his table and a string bag of old-fashioned casies on the chair opposite. (#WildRumoursRUs)

after El Hadji Diouf yesterday, too! #friendtothestars

[EverSoYouri]

Mock all you like, but I've just seen John McGovern in Nandos at Middlebrook, a large suitcase by the side of his table and a string bag of old-fashioned casies on the chair opposite. (#WildRumoursRUs)

after El Hadji Diouf yesterday, too! #friendtothestars

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[thebish]

Interesting and impressive interview with David Flitcroft in today's Guardian.

Puts me in mind of a young Rioch - lots of positivity and energy, changing the culture at the club from top to bottom, making sure the players, administrators and fans know what he's trying to do and support him.

One for the future?

I must admit I was pretty impressed with the way Bury play at the Macron. They played a high tempo game and passed the ball much better than us.

However, I remember Freedman saying something similar when he first joined us. Talk is cheap.

they can't have been THAT good - even we beat them - with Freedman and this squad!

[Bijou Bob]

I was expecting an announcement today in order to give the new bloke a week with the squad?!

[bobo the clown]

I was expecting an announcement today in order to give the new bloke a week with the squad?!

Humph. Shows what you know.

[Worthy4England]

I was expecting an announcement today in order to give the new bloke a week with the squad?!

I guess, with them all being out of work, they could've started at any time, whilst they resolve personal terms. Oracle reckons between Lennon and Hughton with Lennon "in the lead", whatever that means...

[thebish]

I was expecting an announcement today in order to give the new bloke a week with the squad?!

i think it'll be monday. i have no reason at all to suppose this - so it might not be monday! I hope that's clear!

[StaffsTrotter]

↑↑↑ tbh I think Gartside made the reason we didn't get rid earlier pretty plain ; he felt he was doing a great job, just not getting the results. He finally gave up when he felt the stick he (Freedman) was getting was intolerable and ... in my reading ... was affecting him physically/mentally.

Otherwise he'd still be there.

I admire loyalty but sometimes it's misplaced.

wasn't really about the club bobo, more about this (and other forums) where any thoughts of getting rid of freedman was usually challenged with but who else is out there & general inference that the answer was no-one.

agree wrt misplaced loyalty. not really been impressed with PG/ the club if he genuinely wouldn't have potted him - what would it have taken for them to act

[Hoboh]

↑↑↑ tbh I think Gartside made the reason we didn't get rid earlier pretty plain ; he felt he was doing a great job, just not getting the results. He finally gave up when he felt the stick he (Freedman) was getting was intolerable and ... in my reading ... was affecting him physically/mentally.

Otherwise he'd still be there.

I admire loyalty but sometimes it's misplaced.

wasn't really about the club bobo, more about this (and other forums) where any thoughts of getting rid .f freedman was usually challenged with but who else is out there & general inference that the answer was no-one.

agree wrt misplaced loyalty. not really been impressed with PG/ the club if he genuinely wouldn't have potted him - what would it have taken for them to act

Mass suicide at one min past 3 at the Mac?

[irie Cee Bee]

I was expecting an announcement today in order to give the new bloke a week with the squad?!

I guess, with them all being out of work, they could've started at any time, whilst they resolve personal terms. Oracle reckons between Lennon and Hughton with Lennon "in the lead", whatever that means...

Both good options for us....Big Sam levels after a series of mediocre managers. Haughton would be my pick for his proven success at this level having faced similar circumstances before. Lennon more of a risk. No experience at this level and used to working with better players. Can he get the best out of them? Over to you PG. Dont screw this one up.

[thebish]

just for the record - if it's either hughton or lennon - does that mean the forum officially believes that PG hasn't screwed up the appointment this time - or do we reserve the right (later on) to conclude that he screwed it up if it goes badly?

[Worthy4England]

just for the record - if it's either hughton or lennon - does that mean the forum officially believes that PG hasn't screwed up the appointment this time - or do we reserve the right (later on) to conclude that he screwed it up if it goes badly?

Never let it be said, that I sat on the fence. That's an unequivocal yes.

[thebish]

just for the record - if it's either hughton or lennon - does that mean the forum officially believes that PG hasn't screwed up the appointment this time - or do we reserve the right (later on) to conclude that he screwed it up if it goes badly?

Never let it be said, that I sat on the fence. That's an unequivocal yes.

I see what you did there!

[EverSoYouri]

just for the record - if it's either hughton or lennon - does that mean the forum officially believes that PG hasn't screwed up the appointment this time - or do we reserve the right (later on) to conclude that he screwed it up if it goes badly?

This is an important point. (All being that Hilary Devey doesn't land next month and have PG escorted from the premises).

I would regard either Lennon or Hughton as prima facie better bets than Freedman. That said, it should be noted, the fans didn't turn against DF overnight (so I don't buy the argument that we were fickle, in any sense, or had unreasonable expectations - not in the case of most I've read on this site, anyway.)

Any new appointment is a gamble. What I'd want is for the manager to look like the right kind of guy for the job (tick for both L and H) and to show signs of being the right man for the job by the end of this season. Minimal requirement for that is keeping us up. By the time next season arrives, I would expect it to be clear he is the right man (at least in the medium term) - this, for me, means sustained progress on the field, and some sense the club as a whole is moving forward.

If that isn't happening, then I'll want action (sod the cries of too many comings and goings). I won't, however, (feel free to quote me on this) blame PG for making a bad appointment.

[Tombwfc]

Never think it's worth taking too much notice of the betting until somebody is massively odds on, but Lennon is heading that way now. Best priced 1/5.

I do think he is the most exciting of the mooted contenders. My only real concern is that given his success at Celtic already, if he had us half way up the league by February would that convince QPR, West Brom etc that he'd be worth a punt to keep them up?

[Worthy4England]

Never think it's worth taking too much notice of the betting until somebody is massively odds on, but Lennon is heading that way now. Best priced 1/5.

I do think he is the most exciting of the mooted contenders. My only real concern is that given his success at Celtic already, if he had us half way up the league by February would that convince QPR, West Brom etc that he'd be worth a punt to keep them up?

I think that's always possible, but not sure it'd be any different for the other people on the list of 4.

If I recall, the first season Coyle was in charge (first full season), he was "linked" with Spurs, Arsenal and a couple of others...

[bobo the clown]

just for the record - if it's either hughton or lennon - does that mean the forum officially believes that PG hasn't screwed up the appointment this time

.... Any new appointment is a gamble. What I'd want is for the manager to look like the right kind of guy for the job ...

Agreed. I thought we messed up with Sammy Lee simply because we were in pole position and could have selected really good manages.

Megson, though I wasn't anti him from before day 1 as many were, I thought wasn't a great choice and the stories about his selection were not good. Coyle ... I was all for and initially it seemed like it worked. Freedman, I never really got what was seen in him. Gartside's big failings with those two was getting rid too late.

If we get Hughton or Lennon we have to get behind them we have to believe they are decent options and are as good as is going (though hearing McDermott has dropped from the radar because he has an offer to go on Arsenal's scouting staff sort of puts us in our place !!)