Who can save us ??
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Who can save us ??
After reading the various posts, I think it's pretty obvious that there aren't many left in the Coyle must stay camp.
My question is who could be brought in to save us from relegation.
Do we go for experience, Hughes, Curbishly, McClaren, Erikson, Reid, Souness, Southgate etc ?
Or do we try an up and coming youngster who has done well with a lower league team, or go for a complete beginner ?
My question is who could be brought in to save us from relegation.
Do we go for experience, Hughes, Curbishly, McClaren, Erikson, Reid, Souness, Southgate etc ?
Or do we try an up and coming youngster who has done well with a lower league team, or go for a complete beginner ?
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Re: Who can save us ??
Turkish Trotter wrote:After reading the various posts, I think it's pretty obvious that there aren't many left in the Coyle must stay camp.
My question is who could be brought in to save us from relegation.
Do we go for experience, Hughes, Curbishly, McClaren, Erikson, Reid, Souness, Southgate etc ?
Or do we try an up and coming youngster who has done well with a lower league team, or go for a complete beginner ?
That sounds familiar.
Re: Who can save us ??
Turkish Trotter wrote:After reading the various posts, I think it's pretty obvious that there aren't many left in the Coyle must stay camp.
My question is who could be brought in to save us from relegation.
Do we go for experience, Hughes, Curbishly, McClaren, Erikson, Reid, Souness, Southgate etc ?
Or do we try an up and coming youngster who has done well with a lower league team, or go for a complete beginner ?
the only experience Southgate has as a manager is taking Middlesborough down. Hughes left Fulham cos he's ambitious (this means he won't come to Bolton). McClaren is a great coach but not a manager. Eriksson is a fcuking mercenary. Get Souness in. It won't be pretty but he'll have half a chance of keeping us up if we get him in soon
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Re: Who can save us ??
Souness is not the worst shout in the world. However heard he's not after another managerial job.tripod wrote:Turkish Trotter wrote:After reading the various posts, I think it's pretty obvious that there aren't many left in the Coyle must stay camp.
My question is who could be brought in to save us from relegation.
Do we go for experience, Hughes, Curbishly, McClaren, Erikson, Reid, Souness, Southgate etc ?
Or do we try an up and coming youngster who has done well with a lower league team, or go for a complete beginner ?
the only experience Southgate has as a manager is taking Middlesborough down. Hughes left Fulham cos he's ambitious (this means he won't come to Bolton). McClaren is a great coach but not a manager. Eriksson is a fcuking mercenary. Get Souness in. It won't be pretty but he'll have half a chance of keeping us up if we get him in soon
Frankly I think we've left it too late but we still have to try sommat!
Re: Who can save us ??
1. Hughes
2. Bruce
Start with Hughes, try and get him here if not then Bruce, we need some steel in the management seat and both these fellas have the credentials to keep us up IMO.
2. Bruce
Start with Hughes, try and get him here if not then Bruce, we need some steel in the management seat and both these fellas have the credentials to keep us up IMO.
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Re: Who can save us ??
Anyone else will have a better chance than this clown
in response to the question, experience. what we can get anyway.
in response to the question, experience. what we can get anyway.
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Re: Who can save us ??
Out of the names mentioned only Hughes and Curbishley are remotely likely to be any good for us. I doubt either would come. Curbishley doesn't want to move north if I recall and Hughes, well, just wouldn't come. Bruce is a terrible cheque book manager.
Not sure who else it leaves. Nobody that is proven that I can think of is a realistic option. Maybe it would need to be somebody from abroad with good experience that fancies a crack at the PL? er...Championship!
Not sure who else it leaves. Nobody that is proven that I can think of is a realistic option. Maybe it would need to be somebody from abroad with good experience that fancies a crack at the PL? er...Championship!
Re: Who can save us ??
Bruce is a terrible cheque book manager
Spot on that, wouldn't want him anywhere near us
Spot on that, wouldn't want him anywhere near us
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Re: Who can save us ??
People will laugh, but I'd take Billy Davies over what we have got at the minute.
And Mclaren....
Bruce yep...
There aren't many I'd not consider.
And Mclaren....
Bruce yep...
There aren't many I'd not consider.
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Re: Who can save us ??
We need a coach.
I would hand a contract to Maclaren & Venables until May.
I shock myself everytime I suggest it but the sad state is, it's the best option IMO
I would hand a contract to Maclaren & Venables until May.
I shock myself everytime I suggest it but the sad state is, it's the best option IMO
Re: Who can save us ??
the-Bowtun-Warrior wrote:We need a coach.
I would hand a contract to Maclaren & Venables until May.
I shock myself everytime I suggest it but the sad state is, it's the best option IMO
Exactly. Coyle, Davis and Stewart haven't a clue at this level, time for a change
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Re: Who can save us ??
tripod wrote:the-Bowtun-Warrior wrote:We need a coach.
I would hand a contract to Maclaren & Venables until May.
I shock myself everytime I suggest it but the sad state is, it's the best option IMO
Exactly. Coyle, Davis and Stewart haven't a clue at this level, time for a change
It's my biggest gripe.
A coach would have this lot organised.
Even a poor a team as this lot can loose in the right way. This lot don't.
It comes down to Coyle.
I'd love a coach AND manager like Sam was but it isn't a realistic ambition at the moment. The next best thing is a coach.
We desperately need one
Re: Who can save us ??
I think Curbishley would do a good job for us. I'm still hopeful Owen Coyle can. But the results haven't been great. The performances haven't been great and neither has our luck but despite all that we still need to be winning the games that should be getting us further up the table but we've not. Trouble is we've not looked like alleviating our slide down the table for quite some time. Pity party is over and we need to turn it around.
Since the start of the season we've got a record of W3 D0 L12. League Cup: W2 D0 L1
Since the start of the calendar year we've got a record of W8 D2 L23. FA Cup: W4 D1 L1. League Cup W2 D0 L1.
That leaves us on 26 points over the course of an entire season. Nowhere near enough for any team to survive. We're missing a backs to the wall mentality which we've had over the course of a few seasons. It was them against us when we were under Allardyce and everyone against Megson/Lee mentality which spurned the team on. Now its a case of we're in support but we're missing the fight we've had for quite some seasons.
Our midfield was incredibly lightweight today. Made up of athletes and tricksters but no real fighters. The signings we have made don't bode well in terms of fight either.
Lets have a look at the current squad:
Jussi. Been a steady customer since arriving at the club but has no real understudy now. Bogdan got shown up against Chelsea so he won't be worried about losing his spot anytime soon. Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't giving 100% due to not worrying about his position in the team unlike when Al-Habsi was here where there seemed genuine contention for a spot.
Boyata. Off back to Man City at the end of the season. Why is he going to be overly fussed about the team when he's only got to make himself look good.
Cahill. Off to one of the big guns at the end of the season/jan. Can see him being too fussed about his own transfer than anything else going on. Needs to get the rest of the team going places with a look at progressing everyone else otherwise its going to mean the difference between going to Spurs or going to Chelsea/ManCity/Arsenal/etc. Half arsing it is a slippery slope. Michael Ricketts half arsed his last season at the club and couldn't turn it round at Boro.
Knight. Seems to be a confidence player. Really stepped up when Cahill wasn't in the team. Perhaps he needs to be number 1 defender at the back.
Robinson. Got a lot of fight in him but weak technically, not good in size but willing to give a good telling off to everyone else. Can't see him helping out the confidence at the back if he's barking away at peoples mistakes.
Wheater. Good battler and one of the shining lights this season. Shame he's wasted that with stupid rash challenges. Needs work on his decision making. Then again thats probably the reason he's stood out this season.
Steinsson. I'd imagine having a whinge at the manager probably won't have helped his cause. Not the best technically but he cares and seems more than willing.
Pratley. Good athlete and box to box player but he's not the answer. Seems like a less effective Tamir Cohen to me.
Mark Davies. Good runner of the ball but needs a lot of shooting practice. Can dribble but no power or real accuracy on the shots.
Chris Eagles. Tricky customer but all round game isn't quite there. Too many turnovers of possession from this guy. Really needs to learn to hold up play and get the rest of the team involved in attack. Really get the opposition pegged back in their own half as opposed to rushed shots and pressure back on our defence as a result.
Fabrice Muamba. What has he done to be out of the team so regularly. Maybe its systematic switches for different styles of play but we all expect him to be doing better and covering the team better. 7 goals conceded with covering midfielders certainly doesnt bode well.
Gael Kakuta. Get rid of the trickery and try and do simple things really well then slowly put the tricks in. Vladimir Weiss didn't do much at the Reebok but when he did and started to make a name for himself it was done with the help and benefit of others. Don't be a Weiss before its too late.
Martin Petrov. This guy oozes quality. A lot of its wasted and now we're not seeing any return on it despite him being on significantly higher wages than most. We got rid of Matthew Taylor to bring him in and now we're using right wingers and central midfielders to cover his failings. Shocking. Get Petrov in the team and give him so much praise to make his head swell. One of the best quality players we have in the team at the minute and if we have to do a Diouf and make him seem like hes the big cheese then so be it. Only way I can see us getting anywhere near the return on what he should be giving us. p.s. don't whip the ball in tille we have backup players in the box.
Kevin Davies. Been good at the flick ons but unless we've got players holding it up after the flick ons its just wasted possession and we're carrying him. Not a fault of his but more a fault of the system we play.
Ivan Klasnic. Great finisher shame about the rest of his game. We're carrying him for most games. He's just as effective coming off the bench as a sub if his goal return is about a goal every now and then. Personally i'd bench him and have him as impact sub. Gives the team a massive lift when he comes on. Otherwise we're looking at heads dropping when anyone else comes on instead.
N'Gog is too lightweight (£4m for him to sit on the bench?). Same trouble as Chris Eages but up front. Certainly not one of those i'd've signed but we've not seen enough of him to fully judge him. Reminds me of Ricardo Vaz-Té but with a £4m price tag.
Rant over. We've got a good set of players at the team. Everyones hurting. Maybe its time to get in the specialists to help the players build confidence once again.
Since the start of the season we've got a record of W3 D0 L12. League Cup: W2 D0 L1
Since the start of the calendar year we've got a record of W8 D2 L23. FA Cup: W4 D1 L1. League Cup W2 D0 L1.
That leaves us on 26 points over the course of an entire season. Nowhere near enough for any team to survive. We're missing a backs to the wall mentality which we've had over the course of a few seasons. It was them against us when we were under Allardyce and everyone against Megson/Lee mentality which spurned the team on. Now its a case of we're in support but we're missing the fight we've had for quite some seasons.
Our midfield was incredibly lightweight today. Made up of athletes and tricksters but no real fighters. The signings we have made don't bode well in terms of fight either.
Lets have a look at the current squad:
Jussi. Been a steady customer since arriving at the club but has no real understudy now. Bogdan got shown up against Chelsea so he won't be worried about losing his spot anytime soon. Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't giving 100% due to not worrying about his position in the team unlike when Al-Habsi was here where there seemed genuine contention for a spot.
Boyata. Off back to Man City at the end of the season. Why is he going to be overly fussed about the team when he's only got to make himself look good.
Cahill. Off to one of the big guns at the end of the season/jan. Can see him being too fussed about his own transfer than anything else going on. Needs to get the rest of the team going places with a look at progressing everyone else otherwise its going to mean the difference between going to Spurs or going to Chelsea/ManCity/Arsenal/etc. Half arsing it is a slippery slope. Michael Ricketts half arsed his last season at the club and couldn't turn it round at Boro.
Knight. Seems to be a confidence player. Really stepped up when Cahill wasn't in the team. Perhaps he needs to be number 1 defender at the back.
Robinson. Got a lot of fight in him but weak technically, not good in size but willing to give a good telling off to everyone else. Can't see him helping out the confidence at the back if he's barking away at peoples mistakes.
Wheater. Good battler and one of the shining lights this season. Shame he's wasted that with stupid rash challenges. Needs work on his decision making. Then again thats probably the reason he's stood out this season.
Steinsson. I'd imagine having a whinge at the manager probably won't have helped his cause. Not the best technically but he cares and seems more than willing.
Pratley. Good athlete and box to box player but he's not the answer. Seems like a less effective Tamir Cohen to me.
Mark Davies. Good runner of the ball but needs a lot of shooting practice. Can dribble but no power or real accuracy on the shots.
Chris Eagles. Tricky customer but all round game isn't quite there. Too many turnovers of possession from this guy. Really needs to learn to hold up play and get the rest of the team involved in attack. Really get the opposition pegged back in their own half as opposed to rushed shots and pressure back on our defence as a result.
Fabrice Muamba. What has he done to be out of the team so regularly. Maybe its systematic switches for different styles of play but we all expect him to be doing better and covering the team better. 7 goals conceded with covering midfielders certainly doesnt bode well.
Gael Kakuta. Get rid of the trickery and try and do simple things really well then slowly put the tricks in. Vladimir Weiss didn't do much at the Reebok but when he did and started to make a name for himself it was done with the help and benefit of others. Don't be a Weiss before its too late.
Martin Petrov. This guy oozes quality. A lot of its wasted and now we're not seeing any return on it despite him being on significantly higher wages than most. We got rid of Matthew Taylor to bring him in and now we're using right wingers and central midfielders to cover his failings. Shocking. Get Petrov in the team and give him so much praise to make his head swell. One of the best quality players we have in the team at the minute and if we have to do a Diouf and make him seem like hes the big cheese then so be it. Only way I can see us getting anywhere near the return on what he should be giving us. p.s. don't whip the ball in tille we have backup players in the box.
Kevin Davies. Been good at the flick ons but unless we've got players holding it up after the flick ons its just wasted possession and we're carrying him. Not a fault of his but more a fault of the system we play.
Ivan Klasnic. Great finisher shame about the rest of his game. We're carrying him for most games. He's just as effective coming off the bench as a sub if his goal return is about a goal every now and then. Personally i'd bench him and have him as impact sub. Gives the team a massive lift when he comes on. Otherwise we're looking at heads dropping when anyone else comes on instead.
N'Gog is too lightweight (£4m for him to sit on the bench?). Same trouble as Chris Eages but up front. Certainly not one of those i'd've signed but we've not seen enough of him to fully judge him. Reminds me of Ricardo Vaz-Té but with a £4m price tag.
Rant over. We've got a good set of players at the team. Everyones hurting. Maybe its time to get in the specialists to help the players build confidence once again.
Re: Who can save us ??
Jackett / Raffa / Hughes
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Re: Who can save us ??
Unproven/no chance/no chanceDIPS wrote:Jackett / Raffa / Hughes
Sorry man but what the fcuk? Kenny Jackett?
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Re: Who can save us ??
Rafa ? .... Rafa ?DIPS wrote:Jackett / Raffa / Hughes
I can only think of one ... & that's Benitez, & that'll be silly.
Anyone know any other Rafa's ??
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Re: Who can save us ??
Rafa Nadal. He does grown up tennis, not this table top stuff.bobo the clown wrote:Rafa ? .... Rafa ?DIPS wrote:Jackett / Raffa / Hughes
I can only think of one ... & that's Benitez, & that'll be silly.
Anyone know any other Rafa's ??
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Re: Who can save us ??
I like that he was only a back-up if Kenny Jackett didn't fancy it!bobo the clown wrote:Rafa ? .... Rafa ?DIPS wrote:Jackett / Raffa / Hughes
I can only think of one ... & that's Benitez, & that'll be silly.
Anyone know any other Rafa's ??
Re: Who can save us ??
BWFC_Insane wrote:People will laugh, but I'd take Billy Davies over what we have got at the minute.
And Mclaren....
Bruce yep...
There aren't many I'd not consider.
Roy Keane? Paul Ince?? they're both kicking their heels...
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