Not That Kind Of 5-1

[keveh]

Remember the 5-1 win over Newcastle? So does Dave Sutton's barnet, but possibly not the same way...

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[CAPSLOCK]

It's an interesting analysis
Regardless, it was exciting, was great to watch and I really enjoyed it as I did the later game v Blackpool, which although not ending in a win, was very entertaining
It was one of about 3 or 4 games under Coyle where we lifted ourselves above functionality and I honestly thought he had something
I was wrong

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Well, well, well. There's a thing. (Davies being key not Elmander I mean)
Great article, cheers.

[Wandering Willy]

Well, well, well. There's a thing. (Davies being key not Elmander I mean)
Great article, cheers.

Damn lies

[Beefheart]

It's an interesting analysis
Regardless, it was exciting, was great to watch and I really enjoyed it as I did the later game v Blackpool, which although not ending in a win, was very entertaining
It was one of about 3 or 4 games under Coyle where we lifted ourselves above functionality and I honestly thought he had something
I was wrong

The November to Remember, good wins against Spurs, Wolves and Newcastle, and draws against Everton and Blackpool, two games we arguably should have won! (Chungy at fault for a last minute equaliser from Jermaine Beckford against Everton I think)

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The November to Remember, good wins against Spurs, Wolves and Newcastle, and draws against Everton and Blackpool, two games we arguably should have won! (Chungy at fault for a last minute equaliser from Jermaine Beckford against Everton I think)

'Arguably', aye. Blackpool had majority possession, attempting and completing more passes than us, and although we had more shots, the on-target count was only 10-6 to us. At Everton, Beckford's late leveller was a sickener but hardly undeserved: they'd had 65% of the ball, completing 357 passes to our 146, and we'd managed 3 shots on target to their 7. Oh and Wolves also matched us for shots and edged us on passing and possession, so despite a couple of gorgeous goals, it's hardly like we bossed them off the park.

I'm painfully aware that there's more to life (and football) than numbers, but I do this sort of analysis as part of my job and it's instructive. That November was successful, and I enjoyed those delightful wins, but the points came via fine goals and fine margins: let's not kid ourselves that we were Daddy Football.

It's entirely possible that our run last season was built on similar margin calls, but I can't check as Opta didn't cover the Football League last season. But elsewhere I've just noticed that the Press Association stats for the first game of Dougie's lossless run, the 2-1 home win over Burnley at which people booed his substitutions (which then produced two goals), show we registered 18 shots to the vistors' 5...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It's an interesting analysis
Regardless, it was exciting, was great to watch and I really enjoyed it as I did the later game v Blackpool, which although not ending in a win, was very entertaining
It was one of about 3 or 4 games under Coyle where we lifted ourselves above functionality and I honestly thought he had something
I was wrong

Thanks (including for your honest self-appraisal, rare round here). I too hoped we were on the road to good things. It's hard not to enjoy a 5-1 win, or a draw from two goals down sealed with a glorious team-move goal in injury time. Likesay, I was happy too. My main point is that we weren't actually dominating teams - not a haphazard Newcastle, not even a relegation-haunted Blackpool (who, let's not forget, put four past us later that season).

[Armchair Wanderer]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"... preparing us for Wigan this coming season?

Rodrigo scored for Spain U21's the other day!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"... preparing us for Wigan this coming season?

Rodrigo scored for Spain U21's the other day!

Isn't he Portugese?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"...

An interesting reading, but there's some truth there – I don't think he can possibly be as clueless as some think, although I do think he was too single-minded and believed his own hype.

[Harry Genshaw]

The link that was posted the other day from Coyles interview with 4-4-2, where he was happy to lap up the praise but was said to have bristled when told that the stats suggested our style hadn't developed since Megson.

From those stats with Jussi belting it up to SKD, it suggests we hadn't developed since Sam never mind Megson.

[Enoch]

From those stats with Jussi belting it up to SKD, it suggests we hadn't developed since Sam never mind Megson.

One thing for sure, it won't be our favourite tactic this time around!

[Athers]

What I remember from the game is the performance of the front two - Davies looked a lot more effective than the super-hyped target man of the day Andy Carroll, and Elmander gave them a torrid time especially with his ball carrying - culminating in a couple of brutal fouls on him made out of frustration.

[coffeymagic]

I'm not a lover of statistics. To me there's only one stat that matters and the rest is just waffle.

You could say that the reason Newcastle attempted more passes was because we forced them to. Our pacey attack closing them down every time we got the ball and hurrying them into moving the ball on.

Hardly likely I know but y'know....stats.

Anyway that game I thought the result was justified and the game was as good as over at 1-0. They didn't seem to be able to go forward with any conviction and always looked dodgy at the back. Mabe 5-1 was flattering but good. Good for us.

However I think Owen let the cat out of the bag after the Blackpool 2-2 when he said that he was 'prepared to lose it 4-0 in order to try and get something out of the game'.

This all guns blazing approach might work once in a while but more often that not it will wind up with you getting stuffed out of sight.

His tactic of..erm...what was Coyle's tactic again? Well, whatever it was clearly didn't work and his only Plan B was a the gung-ho playground style on-slaught

That said at 2-0 with 10minues left I said to my mate 'Plenty of time yet' as you could see Blackpool weren't really that good.

The fact we drew 2-2 was good. The fact we had to come back from 2-0 down wasn't.

Bring back the ribbons!

[boltonboris]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"... preparing us for Wigan this coming season?

Rodrigo scored for Spain U21's the other day!

Isn't he Portugese?

No.. But he plays for a team in Portugal

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

From those stats with Jussi belting it up to SKD, it suggests we hadn't developed since Sam never mind Megson.

...whereas Jussi now has Andy Carroll to belt it upfield to. And still does, with monotonous regularity, and a similar 50% success rate.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"... preparing us for Wigan this coming season?

Rodrigo scored for Spain U21's the other day!

Isn't he Portugese?

No.. But he plays for a team in Portugal

For some reason I thought he was. Not that it makes any difference. Ta

[plymouth wanderer]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"... preparing us for Wigan this coming season?

Rodrigo scored for Spain U21's the other day!

Isn't he Portugese?

No.. But he plays for a team in Portugal

For some reason I thought he was. Not that it makes any difference. Ta

AT, get ya facts right before you post!!

[boltonboris]

He's actually Brazilian and lived there until he was 13/14 if memory serves, but qualifies through Spanish citizenship.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The last paragraph reads to me "Coyle probably wasn't as clueless as some might think"... preparing us for Wigan this coming season?

Rodrigo scored for Spain U21's the other day!

Isn't he Portugese?

No.. But he plays for a team in Portugal

For some reason I thought he was. Not that it makes any difference. Ta

AT, get ya facts right before you post!!

Brazilian/Portugese - same language, close enough