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Looking forward to your cup final on tuesday?Dont worry,we will go easy on you.
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VICIOUS wrote:Looking forward to your cup final on tuesday?Dont worry,we will go easy on you.
It will be an interesting night. I would personally take another 4-1 or 4-2 beating off Bury if it results in Freedman sacked.
On the back of all the failure Freedman has delivered Gartside and Davies wouldn't put up with that would they?
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BWFC have always been very patient with their managers. Can't imagine this will change anytime soon. By the way, hi everyone. I have introduce myself on the New Members
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Will you be supplying your own buckets to rattle or do you want to borrow some?VICIOUS wrote:Looking forward to your cup final on tuesday?Dont worry,we will go easy on you.
What a hero, What a man...... Ooooh, what a bad foul...
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Ah well, just feck off dugout! I'd wager you couldn't manage a crap properly.
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I think all football people go on media courses these days. With such a high demand for 'content' they need to be able to talk to tv, radio, internets, print and so on on a much more frequent basis than they ever did even say 10 years ago.
I think the club bungled though and sent Dougie on a course ran by a company more used to handing the PR for dictators and terrorist organisations.
The man's amazing at blustering and obfustication. Ask him a question and you'll get so many answers rolled into one reply that you won't know if he's defending his team selection or attrocities carried out by Khmer Rouge.
His blatent refusal to accept what everyone can see borders almost on Lance Armstrong-esque sociopathy and his beligerence and constant repeition of his 'message' would make Chemical Ali blush.
'Uncharacteristic'? Are you having a laugh Dougie?
Jack Dearden's hardly Paxo and I know they have to keep in with the club but Jesus H Campo - can he not be called out on anything?
I think the club bungled though and sent Dougie on a course ran by a company more used to handing the PR for dictators and terrorist organisations.
The man's amazing at blustering and obfustication. Ask him a question and you'll get so many answers rolled into one reply that you won't know if he's defending his team selection or attrocities carried out by Khmer Rouge.
His blatent refusal to accept what everyone can see borders almost on Lance Armstrong-esque sociopathy and his beligerence and constant repeition of his 'message' would make Chemical Ali blush.
'Uncharacteristic'? Are you having a laugh Dougie?
Jack Dearden's hardly Paxo and I know they have to keep in with the club but Jesus H Campo - can he not be called out on anything?
I'm not asking you to 'think outside the box' I just wish you'd have a rummage around in it once in a while.
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I don't like Freedman, never have, but i am/was hoping going into his third season he would have what would vaguely resemble a fairly decent team, or one he could organise adequately. What I see are a bunch of players he can't organise and some of them are "mirror images" i.e Spearing/Medo, Beckford/C. Davies. They just don't compliment each other. Don't see the team or Freedman doing much this season, apart from struggling. Hope i'm wrong
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Wishful thinking - but not with our pathetic excuse of a chairman who thinks that Freedman is doing such a good job, despite most supporters thinking that Freedman is a useless amateur....throwawayboltonian wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28730678
Maybe we should follow suit?
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I accept that it's not a simple role, that we're in a terrible state and he isn't free to spend his way out of that. I even want to believe that he's doing magnificent work in the background, that invisible stuff.
I want Freedman to succeed. Simply because that will mean Bolton are succeeding. I will be delighted to be proven wrong and to eat my words. I will apologise fulsomly. I will admit I was unfair and too quick to condemn, that I know nothing of football and that I'm no more than a negative thinker.
It's just that I'm not going to have to, am I ?
I want Freedman to succeed. Simply because that will mean Bolton are succeeding. I will be delighted to be proven wrong and to eat my words. I will apologise fulsomly. I will admit I was unfair and too quick to condemn, that I know nothing of football and that I'm no more than a negative thinker.
It's just that I'm not going to have to, am I ?
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Freedmans been in post longer and arguably performed worse given resource...
See I think its crazy, knee jerk to talk about sacking but you look at that team yesterday and listen to those there - he just doesn't learn! Its hard to see it going any other way.
See I think its crazy, knee jerk to talk about sacking but you look at that team yesterday and listen to those there - he just doesn't learn! Its hard to see it going any other way.
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Bloody hell! Football is nuts.
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Mark Robbins saved Alex Ferguson's career - couldn't even save his own!
I'm not asking you to 'think outside the box' I just wish you'd have a rummage around in it once in a while.
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Some clubs act quick don't they
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That's not a good thing!
Either he should have been flirted at the end of last year, or you give him more time than 1 game! It's turning into a parody of itself. There'll be half-time sackings next.
Either he should have been flirted at the end of last year, or you give him more time than 1 game! It's turning into a parody of itself. There'll be half-time sackings next.
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Freedmans mistake is chasing players 'he knows', 'yes boss' men, familiarty breeds contempt.Prufrock wrote:That's not a good thing!
Either he should have been flirted at the end of last year, or you give him more time than 1 game! It's turning into a parody of itself. There'll be half-time sackings next.
I suspect this causes problems with those who are not in his clique hence underlying tension within the club.
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I understand we are shopping in the bargain basement, but am frustrated that dougie only seems to see one way to be a manager - he seems to think that the way to be a manager is to define a style of play (however mysterious it might be) and then buy players to match it...
the outcome is that he can't afford the players he wants and so ends up pissing and moaning about not having any cash or about players not buying into what he is trying to do...
all of that would be fine and dandy if we had the luxury - but we don't. I still reckon that the manager's basic job is to take the players he has - whether they are the exact mix/quality that he would like or not - and do one (or preferably both!) of two things with them...
1) set them up so they all know clearly and unmistakeably what they are supposed to be doing - and forge a plan/strategy/shape that exploits their best qualities and makes us hard to beat. in other words - Pulis
2) instill in them through the (surely essential) skills of man-management a do-or-die/give-everything/challenge-for-everything/always-chase-a-lost-cause mentality. in other words - Big Sam
what we need is the bastard son of Pulis and Allardyce. Freedman isn't that
the outcome is that he can't afford the players he wants and so ends up pissing and moaning about not having any cash or about players not buying into what he is trying to do...
all of that would be fine and dandy if we had the luxury - but we don't. I still reckon that the manager's basic job is to take the players he has - whether they are the exact mix/quality that he would like or not - and do one (or preferably both!) of two things with them...
1) set them up so they all know clearly and unmistakeably what they are supposed to be doing - and forge a plan/strategy/shape that exploits their best qualities and makes us hard to beat. in other words - Pulis
2) instill in them through the (surely essential) skills of man-management a do-or-die/give-everything/challenge-for-everything/always-chase-a-lost-cause mentality. in other words - Big Sam
what we need is the bastard son of Pulis and Allardyce. Freedman isn't that
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What we need is a miracle. You reckon your boss fancies handing any out again?thebish wrote:I understand we are shopping in the bargain basement, but am frustrated that dougie only seems to see one way to be a manager - he seems to think that the way to be a manager is to define a style of play (however mysterious it might be) and then buy players to match it...
the outcome is that he can't afford the players he wants and so ends up pissing and moaning about not having any cash or about players not buying into what he is trying to do...
all of that would be fine and dandy if we had the luxury - but we don't. I still reckon that the manager's basic job is to take the players he has - whether they are the exact mix/quality that he would like or not - and do one of two things with them...
1) set them up so they all know clearly and unmistakeably what they are supposed to be doing - and forge a plan/strategy/shape that exploits their best qualities and makes us hard to beat. in other words - Pulis
2) instill in them through the (surely essential) skills of man-management a do-or-die/give-everything/challenge-for-everything/always-chase-a-lost-cause mentality. in other words - Big Sam
what we need is the bastard son of Pulis and Allardyce. Freedman isn't that
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The players that Freedman wants aren't the right types. He wants players who have high workrate, get around the pitch, are able to attack and defend but realistically, if a player can do all of that and yet are technically gifted too, they aren't coming to us, they'll be in the Premier League. There has to be a compromise and you do need a few 'lazy' but enigmatic players, though when you look through each name, how many of the players in this Freedman squad have the ability to dribble past an opponent? How many are good passers of the ball? How many good finishers do we have? He's shipped out Eagles, who was a good dribbler, Moritz, who was skillful and Sordell, who is a good finisher and yet bring in players who don't have that same level of technical ability.
Freedman's squad building philosophy is wrong and he's not going to find the right balance because he doesn't believe in having a balance at all, he wants every player to suit his ideal. The players he's signed aren't all terrible but they don't make an effective team either.
Freedman's squad building philosophy is wrong and he's not going to find the right balance because he doesn't believe in having a balance at all, he wants every player to suit his ideal. The players he's signed aren't all terrible but they don't make an effective team either.
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You're right of course. As much as I'd like to see the back of him there's no way he's going any time soon. I think they could reasonably assess and make a decision after 6 games, unless we get hammered in the next 3.Prufrock wrote:That's not a good thing!
Either he should have been flirted at the end of last year, or you give him more time than 1 game! It's turning into a parody of itself. There'll be half-time sackings next.
As silly as I think it is, I'm a little bit jealous of Huddersfield fans today though.
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The Bish has nailed it for me there. We can argue until the cows come home about which players would improve us/would join us/we can afford but until they all know collectively what they are supposed to be doing, we've no chance.thebish wrote:I understand we are shopping in the bargain basement, but am frustrated that dougie only seems to see one way to be a manager - he seems to think that the way to be a manager is to define a style of play (however mysterious it might be) and then buy players to match it...
the outcome is that he can't afford the players he wants and so ends up pissing and moaning about not having any cash or about players not buying into what he is trying to do...
all of that would be fine and dandy if we had the luxury - but we don't. I still reckon that the manager's basic job is to take the players he has - whether they are the exact mix/quality that he would like or not - and do one (or preferably both!) of two things with them...
1) set them up so they all know clearly and unmistakeably what they are supposed to be doing - and forge a plan/strategy/shape that exploits their best qualities and makes us hard to beat. in other words - Pulis
2) instill in them through the (surely essential) skills of man-management a do-or-die/give-everything/challenge-for-everything/always-chase-a-lost-cause mentality. in other words - Big Sam
what we need is the bastard son of Pulis and Allardyce. Freedman isn't that
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