Howling at the Moon! - Wolves (A) 20/9/14

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Re: Howling at the Moon! - Wolves (A) 20/9/14

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:19 am

Enoch wrote:Bolton bossed the first 15 minutes, Wolves the next 20. Bolton were certainly the better side throughout the second half. They never looked like scoring, even when they scored! We created half a dozen clear cut chances, I swear some of them were harder to miss.

They looked better footballers, we showed more endeavour. We lack that bit of quality, particularly in front of goal. At least we had the nous to create chances, for all their looking good on the ball they created very little, one long range effort being the only time they really threatened our goal.

By the way, Craig Davis was definitely not our best player.

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Wolverhampton is no worse than most industrial towns who were ravaged first by Hitler, then by the concrete planners and finally by recession. It's hardly lovely, far from awful and blighted by one of the worst accents known to man.

From what I heard we were 'OK'. Could have done better but could have come away with a point. Missing penalties doesn't help. But we're are now 8 games in with 5 points and just one win. Near misses are beginning to pile up and can't be good enough.
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Post by jaffka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:42 am

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Post by bwfcdan94 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:14 am

Enoch wrote:Bolton bossed the first 15 minutes, Wolves the next 20. Bolton were certainly the better side throughout the second half. They never looked like scoring, even when they scored! We created half a dozen clear cut chances, I swear some of them were harder to miss.

They looked better footballers, we showed more endeavour. We lack that bit of quality, particularly in front of goal. At least we had the nous to create chances, for all their looking good on the ball they created very little, one long range effort being the only time they really threatened our goal.

By the way, Craig Davis was definitely not our best player.

I spent the night in Wolverhampton, it is not a shithole. Least not the bits I saw.
Well I got lost on the way back to the station and ended up seeing the very worse Wolverhampton has to offer and can confirm it is absolutely horrible.
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Post by bobo the clown » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:55 am

Molyneux to the station is about half a mile.

I wouldn't recommend anyone the journey from Burnden to Trinity Street as an example of the beauties of our town. Thank God we have Regent Street, eh ?
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Post by LeverEnd » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:40 am

Don't forget Newport Street and The Gateway to Bolton! Spectacular views.
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Post by William the White » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:49 am

LeverEnd wrote:Don't forget Newport Street and The Gateway to Bolton! Spectacular views.
Don't be so negative. It's Bolton's Artistic Quarter! What's more, all those tattooists are 'award winning'!

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Post by StaffsTrotter » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:56 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Can't blame Garvan for taking the penalty. Can blame others for not stepping up. Can blame Garvan for taking a poor penalty.

Attacking 4-4-2, light on tacklers, always going to concede possession. Imagine if Mavies had been in for Garvan.

Surprised we played such an open line-up. Not surprised DF gets blamed for it, although I'd rather lose 1-0 with an attacking 4-4-2 than with a defensive 4-5-1. Slightly surprised at the lack of comment on here. Maybe folk have given up. Can't blame 'em.
I remember us losing 1-0 not unexpectedly at Wolves then going unbeaten for 23 games. It'd be nice if that happened again.
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Post by EverSoYouri » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:11 pm

Statistically and according to reports, yesterday looks like one of our better performances. The Derby game should be an interesting measure of whether there is any real improvement. (And by 'real' I mean enough to keep us in this division).

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Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:13 pm

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LeverEnd wrote:Don't forget Newport Street and The Gateway to Bolton! Spectacular views.
Don't be so negative. It's Bolton's Artistic Quarter! What's more, all those tattooists are 'award winning'!
And sharing location space with the dearest mens' shop in Bolton by some miles. Top area that :mrgreen:
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Post by bwfcdan94 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:54 pm

bobo the clown wrote:Molyneux to the station is about half a mile.

I wouldn't recommend anyone the journey from Burnden to Trinity Street as an example of the beauties of our town. Thank God we have Regent Street, eh ?
I should of turned straight out of the ground, I turned left and ended up in the sh*t part of town.
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Post by bwfcdan94 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:04 pm

T H all the above areas in Bolton are quite pleasant to where I was, most are well lit for starters. where I was was comparable to the in-between the two railway bridges at the Den. admittedly I was daft enough to presume that if I walked to wards the railway tracks I would soon find the station - I was infact going the wrong way.

this is where I ended up

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.59799 ... e0!6m1!1e1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Prufrock » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:02 am

That URL looks like it's still a teenage URL. OMG!
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Post by bobo the clown » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:18 am

bwfcdan94 wrote:T H all the above areas in Bolton are quite pleasant to where I was, most are well lit for starters. where I was was comparable to the in-between the two railway bridges at the Den. admittedly I was daft enough to presume that if I walked to wards the railway tracks I would soon find the station - I was infact going the wrong way.

this is where I ended up

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.59799 ... e0!6m1!1e1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think it's what's called "an industrial estate". They're all over the place .... though maybe less in Berkshire.
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Post by Prufrock » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:29 am

Kinty and I ended up somewhere v similar after that 7-1 game!
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:08 am

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Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Can't blame Garvan for taking the penalty. Can blame others for not stepping up. Can blame Garvan for taking a poor penalty.

Attacking 4-4-2, light on tacklers, always going to concede possession. Imagine if Mavies had been in for Garvan.

Surprised we played such an open line-up. Not surprised DF gets blamed for it, although I'd rather lose 1-0 with an attacking 4-4-2 than with a defensive 4-5-1. Slightly surprised at the lack of comment on here. Maybe folk have given up. Can't blame 'em.

I remember us losing 1-0 not unexpectedly at Wolves then going unbeaten for 23 games. It'd be nice if that happened again.
I think we've been here before. 451 doesn't have to be defensive, 442 isn't necessarily attacking, especially if you can't get the ball with someone who can distribute it. I couldn't see from when you posted the team, who was going to do that...
No, quite - each formation depends on mindset as well as position. But if we'd only played one striker, he'd have got pelters - either for dropping Hat-Trick Hero Mason or playing him up top alone - so I was slightly surprised he went with two wingers too. Suppose Wolves play a wide 4-4-2 so he went man for man.

By the way, my Palace mole says Garvan can be a very good player - a "driving force" with "a good eye for a good range of passes", "as long as he's got someone to look after him". Maybe DF thought he and Spearing were that couple. (Lest ye think the Eagle is one-eyed, he described Ramage as "limited but solid", Paddy McCarthy as "good but always injured" and Moxey as "erm, well, he'll definitely try hard but he's a bit hopeless, especially positionally".)

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Post by boltonboris » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:12 pm

Hard to get too angry about this one.

One of the favourites for promotion and haven't conceded a goal at home. Sounded like we edged it and on another day, could've walked away with at least a point..

File it under "one of those days"

Garvan though.. Jesus Christ
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Post by Andy Waller » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:26 pm

boltonboris wrote:Hard to get too angry about this one.

One of the favourites for promotion and haven't conceded a goal at home. Sounded like we edged it and on another day, could've walked away with at least a point..

File it under "one of those days"

Garvan though.. Jesus Christ

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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:02 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Can't blame Garvan for taking the penalty. Can blame others for not stepping up. Can blame Garvan for taking a poor penalty.

Attacking 4-4-2, light on tacklers, always going to concede possession. Imagine if Mavies had been in for Garvan.

Surprised we played such an open line-up. Not surprised DF gets blamed for it, although I'd rather lose 1-0 with an attacking 4-4-2 than with a defensive 4-5-1. Slightly surprised at the lack of comment on here. Maybe folk have given up. Can't blame 'em.

I remember us losing 1-0 not unexpectedly at Wolves then going unbeaten for 23 games. It'd be nice if that happened again.
I think we've been here before. 451 doesn't have to be defensive, 442 isn't necessarily attacking, especially if you can't get the ball with someone who can distribute it. I couldn't see from when you posted the team, who was going to do that...
No, quite - each formation depends on mindset as well as position. But if we'd only played one striker, he'd have got pelters - either for dropping Hat-Trick Hero Mason or playing him up top alone - so I was slightly surprised he went with two wingers too. Suppose Wolves play a wide 4-4-2 so he went man for man.

By the way, my Palace mole says Garvan can be a very good player - a "driving force" with "a good eye for a good range of passes", "as long as he's got someone to look after him". Maybe DF thought he and Spearing were that couple. (Lest ye think the Eagle is one-eyed, he described Ramage as "limited but solid", Paddy McCarthy as "good but always injured" and Moxey as "erm, well, he'll definitely try hard but he's a bit hopeless, especially positionally".)
I think where my head was at, given Garvan's first performance, was that having either Mavies or Danns in the side in front of him, would probably have been a good thing.

I think our retention of possession started to improve when they came on (albeit one of them at the expense of Mason).

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Post by LeverEnd » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:36 pm



The cop-out of a penalty was bad enough, but the follow-up miss even worse!

No need to get on Garvan's case over it, early days for him. But why is it left to the players to decide who takes it? They should know before the game to remove any uncertainty I'd have thought.
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Post by boltonboris » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:30 pm

I don't think the penalty take thing is particularly bad (although it can be construed to be that Garvan had seniority over Mason who wanted to take it on the back of his hat-trick).

But it's just stunning that so many details are not ironed out.. Such as set pieces (for and against). We were led to believe that Dougloss was meticulous in his prep.. But it obviously doesn't seem to be the case.
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