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Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:45 pm

So, who would people like to see try and turn this whole sorry mess around?

These are the early odds;

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Jimmy Phillips 5/2

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink 12/1

Malky Mackay 12/1

Mike Phelan 14/1

Brian McDermott 16/1

Tony Mowbray 16/1

Chris Hughton 20/1

Gary Rowett 20/1

Gianfranco Zola 20/1

Garry Flitcroft 20/1

Neil Lennon 20/1

Nicky Butt 25/1

Paolo Di Canio 33/1

Roy Keane 33/1

Tim Sherwood 33/1

Alan Curbishley 33/1

Chris Coleman 33/1

Glenn Hoddle 33/1

Neil Redfearn 33/1

I note that Chorley's Garry Flitcroft is quoted, but not Bury's Dave. A mix-up perhaps? Or not? :conf:
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by enrdentw » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:52 pm

I would like to see us go after Malky McKay. He needs a route back into football. I think we can offer it him. My second choice would be a punt on Jackie McNamara who is doing really well at Dundee United and bringing through youngsters there.

I doubt we will see a foreigner and I don't want one.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:55 pm

Presumably, Bruce, a complete lack of lower-league knowledge. (I know Chorley are lower than Bury, but David F never played top-level.) The fact that none of them bar JP are particularly short odds means the bookies have no idea.

A whole lot of same-old same-old there. I think we should deprioritise Premier League experience, because we probably won't need it. Forget anyone who'd think he's bigger than the club and would be looking for the first ticket out of here. IMO better to have someone who knows League One, from where we might be buying players, than the top flight.

I would also like a thoughtful selection process, not a Megson railroad, a Coyle kneejerk or a Freedman punt. I'd like to hear about a stream of interviewees being seen at Euxton or Middlebrook. I don't want a preferred-candidate system. I want the best man for the job.

And he may not be obvious. Precisely seven days after we hired Freedman, up the road a bloke who'd been binned off after one mid-table Championship season took over at Burnley; they've done alright since. Get them in, let them explain their vision. For a start it'd be intriguing. We're a very different proposition to the one Freedman inherited, for reasons which aren't entirely (but are partly) his fault. We should think about that when hiring. Don't just get a short-term fire-fighter who'd be useless if we went down (ask Fulham).
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:55 pm

enrdentw wrote:I would like to see us go after Malky McKay.
Indeed. What I can't understand is how come Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink's being touted at the same odds? :conf:
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:57 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Presumably, Bruce, a complete lack of lower-league knowledge. (I know Chorley are lower than Bury, but David F never played top-level.)
Sorry mate but you've completely confused me with that :?
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:58 pm

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enrdentw wrote:I would like to see us go after Malky McKay.
Indeed. What I can't understand is how come Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink's being touted at the same odds? :conf:
Odds needn't necessarily reflect likelihood as much as bookies covering their potential losses, so popular but pointless punts are shorter odds than they should be. That's why England are usually about third favourites for World Cups - not because they'll probably win, but more because the bookies would go bust if they actually did.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:59 pm

Hmm when I said "anyone but this clown" on previous threads, I might want a longer think, in retrospect, seeing that list. :-)

Where the fcuk are David O'Leary, Graeme Souness and Iain Dowie? They're ALWAYS on the bogey man list.

Di Canio might be a decent laugh, to our set of pampered players.

I'd want Pulis (but we ain't going to get him).

Someone with experience would be good - ideally with more experience than Lee, Coyle or Freedman had when we appointed them.

Maybe Mackay if he's bored.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by bobo the clown » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:00 pm

Eluned says Ole Gunner's available ... & 9 months ago he was viewed as more or less God-like.


My hope would be McDermott.

Where's all this Jimmy-Floyd stuff coming from ?
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:00 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Presumably, Bruce, a complete lack of lower-league knowledge. (I know Chorley are lower than Bury, but David F never played top-level.)
Sorry mate but you've completely confused me with that :?
Heh! Wasn't well-put. Basically: The bookies and punters have heard of Garry Flitcroft, because he played for Blackburn and was in the papers. His brother, they couldn't pick out in a line-up. So Garry's odds are lower (and present at all!) whereas David F will only appear on the list if his odds come down because he gets mentioned.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:01 pm

McDermott might be the best-known, or best-CV'd, realistic candidate. Not sure he'd set pulses racing, though...

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Post by bobo the clown » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:05 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:McDermott might be the best-known, or best-CV'd, realistic candidate. Not sure he'd set pulses racing, though...
True, but he's worked with no money and amid chaos at Leeds. He has succeeded in this league and always struck me as a decent, competent guy.

I may have said Mackay but some of his behaviours have been questionable of late.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:06 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Presumably, Bruce, a complete lack of lower-league knowledge. (I know Chorley are lower than Bury, but David F never played top-level.)
Sorry mate but you've completely confused me with that :?
Heh! Wasn't well-put. Basically: The bookies and punters have heard of Garry Flitcroft, because he played for Blackburn and was in the papers. His brother, they couldn't pick out in a line-up. So Garry's odds are lower (and present at all!) whereas David F will only appear on the list if his odds come down because he gets mentioned.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Bijou Bob » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:07 pm

I think we may stick with Jimmy Phillips in the interim to save money and hopefully push up the table a little. I don't think there's a mad rush to get a replacement in, given that I suspect we can't afford Pulis, McDermott or anyone half decent.

I thought Ricky Sbragia did a decent job both with us and at Sunderland in the short term, but he hasn't been mentioned. Neil Lennon at 20/1 is someone I'd like to see given a chance. He's unlikely to get a Premiership job straight out so may fancy cutting his teeth in the Championship.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by enrdentw » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:07 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:McDermott might be the best-known, or best-CV'd, realistic candidate. Not sure he'd set pulses racing, though...
On what basis is McDermott's CV the best?

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:07 pm

bobo the clown wrote: I may have said Mackay but some of his behaviours have been questionable of late.
Is there only me that wouldn't be in the least bit bothered by them?
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:10 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
bobo the clown wrote: I may have said Mackay but some of his behaviours have been questionable of late.
Is there only me that wouldn't be in the least bit bothered by them?
No, I'm not too bothered by them either.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by bobo the clown » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:11 pm

enrdentw wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:McDermott might be the best-known, or best-CV'd, realistic candidate. Not sure he'd set pulses racing, though...
On what basis is McDermott's CV the best?
see above ^^^
True, but he's worked with no money and amid chaos at Leeds. He has succeeded in this league and always struck me as a decent, competent guy.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:16 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
enrdentw wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:McDermott might be the best-known, or best-CV'd, realistic candidate. Not sure he'd set pulses racing, though...
On what basis is McDermott's CV the best?
see above ^^^
True, but he's worked with no money and amid chaos at Leeds. He has succeeded in this league and always struck me as a decent, competent guy.
...and add in "realistic", afore someone suggests Pulis, Moyes or Trapattoni.

McD did also win this league with Reading, which deserves mention.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Relentless09 » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:19 pm

Please just not Neil Lennon...

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Hoboh » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:21 pm

Relentless09 wrote:Please just not Neil Lennon...
His brother John ain't available either

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