Bijou Bob's Bargain Basement Buys - Jan transfer thread

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

From memory, Cahill was exceedingly average at the time we sold him. We got 7m, which considering he was out of contract was a good bit of business. We arguably should have tried to sell him earlier for more, but the main issue for me is how the successive muppets spent the money...

Dunno about him being average when we sold him - i'm pretty certain he earned his first full England cap in a competive game (did he score too, against Bulgaria?) while he was at Bolton. He also scored an excellent winner at Goodison Park in the league to boost our chances of survival. Ngog also scored in that match, so too Tim Howard...

My memory was definitely that he was average by his standards. I remember thinking it ironic that he got his cap when he was in probably his worst form for us. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't rubbish, but it wasn't Cahill in his pomp either.

[TKIZ!]

The Serbian winger - Marko Milikovic has not been successful in his trial at the club and been sent packing - source is Burnden Aces

[thebish]

The Serbian winger - Marko Milikovic has not been successful in his trial at the club and been sent packing - source is Burnden Aces

this thread is going backwards!

[Prufrock]

I think we got £7-8m for Cahill, which I agree Jonny was still criminally. The Elk at least did us the favour of signing a new contract so that we could get a decent fee, I think Chelsea paid £15m which then Meggo spunked up the wall

Erm...by signing the Cahill you've just said was criminally undersold?

The sale on its own looks good given he was out of contract in 3 months, but given we spunked it up the wall on Tream and Sordell and went down by a point I'm not convinced it was good business.

[midlands exile]

The sale on its own looks good given he was out of contract in 3 months, but given we spunked it up the wall on Tream and Sordell and went down by a point I'm not convinced it was good business.

I'd say it was a dead-cert stinker of a decision, no doubt about it.

[TKIZ!]

I think we got £7-8m for Cahill, which I agree Jonny was still criminally. The Elk at least did us the favour of signing a new contract so that we could get a decent fee, I think Chelsea paid £15m which then Meggo spunked up the wall

Erm...by signing the Cahill you've just said was criminally undersold?

The sale on its own looks good given he was out of contract in 3 months, but given we spunked it up the wall on Tream and Sordell and went down by a point I'm not convinced it was good business.

Aye, but also signing an (over priced) Knight, Elmander and Riga

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

From memory, Cahill was exceedingly average at the time we sold him. We got 7m, which considering he was out of contract was a good bit of business. We arguably should have tried to sell him earlier for more, but the main issue for me is how the successive muppets spent the money...

Wasn't Sordell £3.5m and Ream £2.5m? That's £6m (plus agent fees, etc) of the £7m we got for Cahill gone in two transfers, suggested by Stan and signed off by Ollie. Then came the summer of madness in which they planned a 2ppg romp to title glory while handing startling contracts to Andrews, Knight, Ricketts and Mills, none of whom anybody else wanted.

Usual caveat: that's not to say Freedman didn't waste money or sign shithouses. But the Cahill cash was gone by the time he got the job.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

From memory, Cahill was exceedingly average at the time we sold him. We got 7m, which considering he was out of contract was a good bit of business. We arguably should have tried to sell him earlier for more, but the main issue for me is how the successive muppets spent the money...

Wasn't Sordell £3.5m and Ream £2.5m? That's £6m (plus agent fees, etc) of the £7m we got for Cahill gone in two transfers, suggested by Stan and signed off by Ollie. Then came the summer of madness in which they planned a 2ppg romp to title glory while handing startling contracts to Andrews, Knight, Ricketts and Mills, none of whom anybody else wanted.

Usual caveat: that's not to say Freedman didn't waste money or sign shithouses. But the Cahill cash was gone by the time he got the job.

I was meaning money in general rather than the Cahill money, but worded it badly Megson signed some decent enough players but over paid (a few bad 'uns as well), but Coyle and Freedman really did waste the cash they had.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Didn't know quite where to put this, but I suppose it might point to what we need to do this month: we're in the bottom six for shots taken per game, the "top" four for shots faced per game. Which I suppose should make us glad we're as high in the table as we are.



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[thebish]

I love these creative presentations of data - bravo to the author and to DSB for finding and sharing...
you can see why Norwich and Bournemouth are doing well...

a layman's conclusion - we need to defend better and attack better. simple!

Qn... if we couldn't make it into the bottom right quadrant (which seems ambitious) would we rather head for the top right quadrant or the bottom left quadrant?

[Prufrock]

Top right all the way!

[thebish]

Top right all the way!

aye - I'd agree - as long as we have Lonergan performing at his best, it's less of a problem if the defense is busy..

how long before Eidur inspires us to more attempts on goal?

[Worthy4England]

I love these creative presentations of data - bravo to the author and to DSB for finding and sharing...
you can see why Norwich and Bournemouth are doing well...
a layman's conclusion - we need to defend better and attack better. simple!

Qn... if we couldn't make it into the bottom right quadrant (which seems ambitious) would we rather head for the top right quadrant or the bottom left quadrant?

Call me Mr Picky Bastard, but the top 5 teams are spread across 4 different quadrants.

I think we'd probably find that our "average" isn't helping us here - I can recall us posting at the start of the season how we'd seen 1 shot in 5 games type of thing. But this has clearly improved since Lennon took over. [edit: maybe not quite as clear as my perception suggested]

[thebish]

^Mr Picky Bastard!

[boltonboris]

At the time, I thought it was a terrible decision to sell Cahill. Still do, obviously.

We're fighting relegation, and sell our best defender (and possibly - our best player at the time).

That has always irked me to this day. Can't help but think if we hadn't sold Cahill in January, he would have kept the odd goal out, or scored at the other end to keep us up, in those final months.

From memory, we got £5mil. In hindsight, was a terrible decision. But even at the time, it was poor.

Completely unrelated, but the saviour (Andranik Teymourian) is playing for Iran against Bahrain right now, at the Asian Cup.

Yep, we were a decent Centre Half short of getting the required result at Stoke.. Could've been the difference, but that said, Wheater (who filled in) got 2 against Blackburn.

Margins as Coyle used to love saying

[EverSoYouri]

At the time, I thought it was a terrible decision to sell Cahill. Still do, obviously.

We're fighting relegation, and sell our best defender (and possibly - our best player at the time).

That has always irked me to this day. Can't help but think if we hadn't sold Cahill in January, he would have kept the odd goal out, or scored at the other end to keep us up, in those final months.

From memory, we got £5mil. In hindsight, was a terrible decision. But even at the time, it was poor.

Completely unrelated, but the saviour (Andranik Teymourian) is playing for Iran against Bahrain right now, at the Asian Cup.

Yep, we were a decent Centre Half short of getting the required result at Stoke.. Could've been the difference, but that said, Wheater (who filled in) got 2 against Blackburn.

Margins as Coyle used to love saying

Perhaps more to the point, we were a flexible manager and 20 minutes away from beating West Brom the week before (being 2-0 up at the time). Those two points would certainly have kept us up. You live and learn or, in Coyle's case, it seems, you just live.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

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W4E: So our best games for both shots on goal and shots on target came under the last lump, while Lonergan is saving Lennon's ass considering we've been outshot in five of the six games since November...

Naw, I distinctly remember being horrified in Freedman's dog days by our lack of accurate shots - but since that very impressive half-hour burst at home to Wigan in the league, there's only been two games in the last eight that we've managed more than one accurate shot per half-hour...

I think the stats might suggest we need some new impetus up front - and that we're already benefitting from a tighter back-end, so to speak, with a 25% reduction in shots allowed on target.

[Worthy4England]

Dunno how reliable the data is - just grabbed it from BBC website...Certainly that run of early games where we managed 6 games with 2 shots or less were probably the worst I can recall seeing (the home ones) for attacking intent for a long time. We do appear even if we're not generally raining shots in, to have more attacking intent, whereas 50% (guess) of our possession under Freedman seemed to be interchanging the ball around the back four, before one of them got bored and punted it to the opposition...it feels like the intent is in the right place even if the execution isn't what it might be, given the current squad constraints.

[thebish]

we have invested in new impetus up front - eidur and heskey... let's hope it's simply game-time that eidur needs...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

we have invested in new impetus up front - eidur and heskey... let's hope it's simply game-time that eidur needs...

Suspect the signing of them both, to varying degrees, were a necessity in terms of available bodies rather than seeing them as revolutionising our attack.