Question about a fan takeover

[bobo the clown]

A recruitment and transfer committee consisting of Plymouth and ........ well, just Plymouth really.

First target being to ensure Trotter doesn't return.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

We clearly need some oil money. I'll chuck a 100 Dirhams in, but for that I expect to be put in charge of players rights

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It's shaping up nicely... First AGM will be round at Tango's living room sometime next month.

[thebish]

We would end up having 10 managers a season as nobody is happy with the manager for more than a few months at a time! I know it worked for Watford last season but they had buckets and buckets of money!

It's Bury who have buckets of money!

[boltonboris]

We would end up having 10 managers a season as nobody is happy with the manager for more than a few months at a time! I know it worked for Watford last season but they had buckets and buckets of money!

It's Bury who have buckets of money!

No.. They're just buckets

[danardif1]

They generally have a number of fans that happen to be wadded....and quite a few are backed by businesses as "fans". Wolfsburg are worried, coz they're backed by VW...

Wolfsburg are different to other German clubs in that they (and Bayer Leverkusen) are owned entirely by one company. They are allowed to do this because of a legacy rule that means because they were set up as works teams originally for the staff of the company before the Bundesliga was established in the 60's that have since reached a level where pro players were needed etc. they are allowed to retain that single ownership model.

Other German clubs have to be set up as members clubs, where at least 50% plus one of the club is owned by it's members who are allowed to vote on issues etc. The other 49.9999% can be owned by whoever, which is why you have cases like Bayern Munich who as well as being a member's club which is 81.8% owned by their fans also have significant stakes held in them by the likes of Adidas (9.1%) and Audi. These shares can be sold for high prices, so the amount Adidas paid in 2002 (€77m) helped Bayern finance the building of the Allianz Arena. Audi paid €90m for their shares...

The German model for running football clubs is so much better than here, but it's too difficult now to change to this model without major changes to the club and/or the leagues.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

...and of course the Bayern bigwigs would love to adopt the English model. Or better yet the Spanish model, without all that collective-bargaining-for-TV-deals stuff...

[norm the jedi]

The German model for running football clubs is so much better than here, but it's too difficult now to change to this model without major changes to the club and/or the leagues.

Their ticket prices and treatment of fans are way superior, mind you there's not much jeopardy in the title race in recent times Bayern versus A N other followed by an asset strip of that others best players...

Our domestic game fecked itself when the powers that be allowed it to split under the control of two governing bodies and the most attractive one set about whoring itself out to an Australian phone hacking criminal and Satellite salesman to the direct detriment of almost everyone except Him.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Our domestic game fecked itself when the powers that be allowed it to split under the control of two governing bodies

There already were two - the FA and Football League. Quite a few at the FA resented the FL's power, so they did nothing when the top clubs broke away into an independent top division – in doing so, setting up a third body, the Premier League, a corporation of 20 shareholders. Now the Premier League shareholders control the money: last season, revenues were up 29% to £3.3bn. That's £3,300,000,000. Meanwhile the FA, having pledged to increase grassroots spending by £15m a year (that's £15,000,000), finds itself cutting 100 jobs in order to afford it.

So: rich clubs got richer because the FA let them in order to win a squabble. Now neither the FL, the FA nor the poor clubs have enough money, because the vast majority of it is going to the top-flight cabal.

[Enoch]

The vast majority is being paid out in wages to players.

Players that patently aren't worth their contracts.

Good luck to them mind, just wish I was 40 years younger.

[Enoch]

Primarily, because it would make 30 year old women attractive again!

[norm the jedi]

Primarily, because it would make 30 year old women attractive again!

I don't think Thirty year old women ever stopped being attractive?
We on the other hand became invisible..

[plymouth wanderer]

A recruitment and transfer committee consisting of Plymouth and ........ well, just Plymouth really.

First target being to ensure Trotter doesn't return.

I'd be happy with that!

[danardif1]

The German model for running football clubs is so much better than here, but it's too difficult now to change to this model without major changes to the club and/or the leagues.

Their ticket prices and treatment of fans are way superior, mind you there's not much jeopardy in the title race in recent times Bayern versus A N other followed by an asset strip of that others best players...

Our domestic game fecked itself when the powers that be allowed it to split under the control of two governing bodies and the most attractive one set about whoring itself out to an Australian phone hacking criminal and Satellite salesman to the direct detriment of almost everyone except Him.

It's not the rest of the Bundesliga's fault that Bayern have really got their shit together in recent years. If you look beyond Bayern the rest of the league is very competitive and there is no place for badly managed teams to hide. Just look at Stuttgart, a massive club who are being punished for bad management and signings by propping up the table and being the league's whipping boys right now.

I'd comfortably say that Bayern are probably the best run football club in the world, both commercially and on the pitch. They make massive money through many different areas, they spend that on the facilities and it allows them to keep prices down for the fans, and they also mix buying big name players at megabucks prices with producing their own players. They have got it all so sorted right now.

[danardif1]

...and of course the Bayern bigwigs would love to adopt the English model. Or better yet the Spanish model, without all that collective-bargaining-for-TV-deals stuff...

That's probably true, but they continue to be the best run outfit within the current German system and don't show any sign of suffering because of it.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

...and of course the Bayern bigwigs would love to adopt the English model. Or better yet the Spanish model, without all that collective-bargaining-for-TV-deals stuff...

That's probably true, but they continue to be the best run outfit within the current German system and don't show any sign of suffering because of it.

That's your opinion, which I defend your right to have, but it differs from that of FC Bayern Munich AG's chief executive officer Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.

We did a piece on it here in summer. Ah, summer, you seem so long ago.

[danardif1]

...and of course the Bayern bigwigs would love to adopt the English model. Or better yet the Spanish model, without all that collective-bargaining-for-TV-deals stuff...

That's probably true, but they continue to be the best run outfit within the current German system and don't show any sign of suffering because of it.

That's your opinion, which I defend your right to have, but it differs from that of FC Bayern Munich AG's chief executive officer Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.

We did a piece on it here in summer. Ah, summer, you seem so long ago.

Interesting to read about. Rummenigge and the other Bayern bigwigs are the most corporate-oriented in Germany (hence their success) which is why I can understand their position on this. I did mean that they were hardly in a bad position financially despite existing within the German model, and I actually agree with them that whilst they can't completely try and run after the Premier League they do need more TV money to be able to keep up long term. I disagree with the proposals they are making as they are completely self-interested when German football as a whole has generally been so united on it's culture. I can't say I'm a fan of Bayern because whilst they are incredibly well-run they are still very much the big baddies of the German game.

I still feel that German football should do it's best to remain as close to it's current principles as possible. It is a great example to the rest of European football as to how to maintain a balance between all the elements the other leagues makes great claims to be about; a depth of young domestic players mixed with bigger name foreign stars, packed stadiums, cheap tickets and fans who have a say in the running of their club. You can even take your beer with you to your seat... and it doesn't get much better than that does it.

Whilst I wouldn't shy away from laying the blame at the club management for it's own massive failings, I somehow doubt that we'd be in the same position we are right now if Wandern Bolton were in the German system rather the laissez-faire English one. That clubs are allowed to get into the kind of position we currently are in is a problem with the English game as a whole, not just Garty.

PS. thanks for the polite way of saying I'm wrong...

[norm the jedi]

...and of course the Bayern bigwigs would love to adopt the English model. Or better yet the Spanish model, without all that collective-bargaining-for-TV-deals stuff...

That's probably true, but they continue to be the best run outfit within the current German system and don't show any sign of suffering because of it.

That's your opinion, which I defend your right to have, but it differs from that of FC Bayern Munich AG's chief executive officer Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.

We did a piece on it here in summer. Ah, summer, you seem so long ago.

On current form they don't seem to be losing out but I suppose Rummenigge is looking forward. I can't see many prem chairman seeking to negotiate a larger individual deal to allow them to stick 50% of the take into a fund to subsidise the rest of the competition though. So, even allowing for the biggest team seeking to protect its position there still appears to be a refreshingly responsible collective approach.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

[thanks for the polite way of saying I'm wrong...

Manners cost nowt, mate. (And can opinions be wrong? There's a pub discussion...)

[Lost Leopard Spot]

[thanks for the polite way of saying I'm wrong...

Manners cost nowt, mate. (And can opinions be wrong? There's a pub discussion...)

Opinions can often be wrong, and I thought you'd solved our problem but then realised you'd written manners not managers as I 'd initially read it...