Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

On Sam, I'm still not convinced he's done. He does like a pay cheque, and who can blame him? Football has been his life, and although he'll happily be a pundit (and probably start a Hard-Hitting Redtop Column) he'll miss the thrill of it.

International management would have been an ideal step down from the day-to-day; obviously England's gone, and the other home nations are locked up for a while – he might have been in the frame for Norn Iron if Michael O'Neill had hopped over to Scotland. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he took a short-term national-team contract somewhere, like Redknapp with Jordan; note that back in November the threw his hat into the ring for the USA job, which is still vacant...

[Bruce Rioja]

He wouldn't drop two divisions when he's still a viable contender for Prem jobs.

All he needs to do is wait till a struggling Prem club pots their manager, get appointed for 6 months, keep them up, get sacked and receive millions for the privilege. Nice work if you can get it!

I'm not sure he'll bother. He's been there and done that more than enough times. I suspect he can earn money in Dubai on the TV and doing PAs etc.....

How much money can a guy earn/spend? He still lives in an incredibly modest house (by comparison) on Grange Park, has literally millions in the bank and is in his 60s. I don't think that the fiscal allure of the UAE or chatting on TV are his thing. I think that one last '4uck the lot of you' might be though as he performs another rescue act after Christmas.

[BWFC_Insane]

He wouldn't drop two divisions when he's still a viable contender for Prem jobs.

All he needs to do is wait till a struggling Prem club pots their manager, get appointed for 6 months, keep them up, get sacked and receive millions for the privilege. Nice work if you can get it!

I'm not sure he'll bother. He's been there and done that more than enough times. I suspect he can earn money in Dubai on the TV and doing PAs etc.....

How much money can a guy earn/spend? He still lives in an incredibly modest house (by comparison) on Grange Park, has literally millions in the bank and is in his 60s. I don't think that the fiscal allure of the UAE or chatting on TV are his thing. I think that one last '4uck the lot of you' might be though as he performs another rescue act after Christmas.

He spends a lot of time in Dubai. And is on their footie coverage quite often when not working.

He doesn't need another football job, there is nothing left for him. Only the money. And he can earn that in a warmer climate.

If a job that offered a chance to win stuff came up its an entirely different matter. But I don't see that happening.

[boltonboris]

We should be spending the summer looking to recruit new players, not a new manager

[BWFC_Insane]

We should be spending the summer looking to recruit new players, not a new manager

And on that subject....

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So, a 25 year old player from the non-league who in his career has scored 3 goals in 99 games. WTAF?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He's a left-back

I don't mind us giving trials

I doubt it will be our only potential hire

[BWFC_Insane]

He's a left-back

I don't mind us giving trials

I doubt it will be our only potential hire

Listed as a winger where I looked. Even so, 25, non-league player....its an odd one. I know some blossom later in their careers, but it smells like scraping the very very bottom of the barrel.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He's a left-back

I don't mind us giving trials

I doubt it will be our only potential hire

Listed as a winger where I looked. Even so, 25, non-league player....its an odd one. I know some blossom later in their careers, but it smells like scraping the very very bottom of the barrel.

Apparently he's done a bit of both. Either way, goalscoring is a somewhat reductive stat-set for anyone but a striker. Ameobi's second-tier goal record of 6 in 84 is comparable to Chris Taylor's 4 in 84; are they comparable? All league goals, Ameobi: 8 in 104; Taylor: 40 in 380.

Anyway. Maybe, just maybe, someone more clued-up than you or I has recommended him; I'm sure they're not picking names out of a hat. I'm also sure that the next players we're linked in won't be sixth-tier. It could be that we're waiting to conclude negotiations with our existing Bosmen before deciding which proper players to sign.

It's May.

[TANGODANCER]

Anyway. Maybe, just maybe, someone more clued-up than you or I has recommended him; I'm sure they're not picking names out of a hat. I'm also sure that the next players we're linked in won't be sixth-tier. It could be that we're waiting to conclude negotiations with our existing Bosmen before deciding which proper players to sign. It's May.

Agree with all this. We employ scouts and surely they make recommendations based on what impresses them? As you say, it's May and a lot of fine-tooth combing will surely go on before we talk about finalities. The training ground will sort the wheat from the chaff and Parky must be over the moon to have a few bob to play with. Time we gave everything and everybody a chance before dropping sandbags. I'm happy to just wait and see; all part of the fun....

[Bruce Rioja]

He doesn't need another football job, there is nothing left for him. Only the money.

I'd say the opportunity to stick two fingers up to his detractors will appeal to him more. As I said, and despite him being a particularly avaricious individual, he has more money than he can / will ever spend already.

[BWFC_Insane]

He doesn't need another football job, there is nothing left for him. Only the money.

I'd say the opportunity to stick two fingers up to his detractors will appeal to him more. As I said, and despite him being a particularly avaricious individual, he has more money than he can / will ever spend already.

It will, but he won't do that by repeating the same trick he's already proven. Big Sam likes money though, that much has been made evidently clear.

Nobody will bat an eyelid should Sam rock up at a struggling Brighton in December (insert any bottom half premiership team here) and keeps them up. It won't change anything for him, personally or professionally.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

despite him being a particularly avaricious individual, he has more money than he can / will ever spend already.

As you say, Sam has a humble house compared to his earnings. I'm glad about that. But it's a curious thing, is earning money: some people can take it or leave it, but others just can't resist. I don't know whether Sam falls into that category but frankly, if someone else waves a £9m cheque in front of him (as Everton did), he'd have to be very very sure he didn't need that money. Or that his kids didn't, or their kids, or theirs...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

He's a left-back

I don't mind us giving trials

I doubt it will be our only potential hire

Listed as a winger where I looked. Even so, 25, non-league player....its an odd one. I know some blossom later in their careers, but it smells like scraping the very very bottom of the barrel.

Presumably making sure we have more than 12 players for training

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'll repeat what I posted when I opened this thread, 13 months ago.

This is not a rabble-rousing exercise, but an opinion poll. There's already a lot of talk that Phil Parkinson should be sacked, so let's separate the signal from the noise with a very simple yes/no question: do you think that he has to go?

Note: It says here that the voting mechanism allows members to change their vote. So this can be a snapshot of public opinion after every result, good or bad; you can change your mind as often as you like, but presumably Ken only gets to do it once.

Here's the scores as it was last left:

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It will be interesting to see how much they change.

[officer_dibble]

I think it’s time. Rather now than it getting more toxic and souring what’s been a good job and relationship.

This cycle of 5 or 6 results followed by 8 or 9 utter dogshit performances and losses can’t continue.

[Harry Genshaw]

I don't accept the suggestion on the Hull match thread that we may struggle to attract a manager should we dispense with Parky. There are very few championship jobs that become available and when they do, even the very difficult ones e.g Ipswich, Reading seem to attract 'big' names.

Lambert has a very tough job ahead of him with, I suspect, a very limited budget for the next transfer window. Hasn't stopped him taking the job on.

For a cheap, out of work option, I think we could do a lot worse than Gary Bowyer

[Spartan2]

No. Deserves the full season for what he's done. It's been bad before and he's turned it around before. Parky's time here has seen the only good memories of bwfc in years, some bad times too but it can't be pitch invasions every week.

[twilight]

The first time this poll came out I said yes. Now, strangely enough I have said no. Don't think we will get anybody better suited at the moment for the club.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

I am a No, at least not yet.

Since July, based on public reporting, there have been four winding up orders against the club, including one case of near administration, and two instances of players publicly calling the club out for non-payment of contractual bonuses. Not only does that likely deter decent managers, but it also suggests the club is unstable and it would therefore be unwise to jettison the one area of stability around the club i.e. the management team.

In addition, Parky does deserve some time and patience, due to having achieved a lot despite all the turmoil going on around him, and the fact he seems happy here, and if he was to turn the current run around, he and us would be all the stronger for it.

There are issues however. I am really concerned Parky does not have a method of how to win games now. He is changing the team and formation too much from game to game. He is talking a lot about passing the ball, which suggests he feels the team has evolved into a team that does aim to pass the ball, but there isn't the intelligent movement at the top end of the pitch to go with it for us to be a threat. And we seem to have lost the ability to cause teams problems by being direct because we have too many players who want to get on the ball, rather than looking to gamble on knock downs from Magennis or the other forwards. Also, our set pieces have declined in recent weeks, both in terms of quality of the delivery and getting on the end of them.

The only possibility I see for things improving under Parky is Ameobi coming back soon and staying fit, and possibly Ireland becoming a factor, or Ozzy imrpoving (some signs today). We have a very tough next couple of months in terms of fixtures too. I do wonder if Parky can survive this, with each defeat the noises for him being sacked will only get louder.

[The_Gun]

I am a No, at least not yet.

Since July, based on public reporting, there have been four winding up orders against the club, including one case of near administration, and two instances of players publicly calling the club out for non-payment of contractual bonuses. Not only does that likely deter decent managers, but it also suggests the club is unstable and it would therefore be unwise to jettison the one area of stability around the club i.e. the management team.

In addition, Parky does deserve some time and patience, due to having achieved a lot despite all the turmoil going on around him, and the fact he seems happy here, and if he was to turn the current run around, he and us would be all the stronger for it.

There are issues however. I am really concerned Parky does not have a method of how to win games now. He is changing the team and formation too much from game to game. He is talking a lot about passing the ball, which suggests he feels the team has evolved into a team that does aim to pass the ball, but there isn't the intelligent movement at the top end of the pitch to go with it for us to be a threat. And we seem to have lost the ability to cause teams problems by being direct because we have too many players who want to get on the ball, rather than looking to gamble on knock downs from Magennis or the other forwards. Also, our set pieces have declined in recent weeks, both in terms of quality of the delivery and getting on the end of them.

The only possibility I see for things improving under Parky is Ameobi coming back soon and staying fit, and possibly Ireland becoming a factor, or Ozzy imrpoving (some signs today). We have a very tough next couple of months in terms of fixtures too. I do wonder if Parky can survive this, with each defeat the noises for him being sacked will only get louder.

I concur with much of what Bristol's said here. Parkinson very much deserves time and patience from the fans given what he's done for our club. That being said, he does need to figure out his best team and stick with it for a while, because this chopping and changing is obviously massively detrimental.

I've said it before, but I'll repeat that I believe a lot of you on here massively underrate Ameobi's importance to our side. I would be surprised if our goalscoring doesn't improve when he returns.