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Should BWFC sack Phil Parkinson?

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:23 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
Yep. I know what Jugs means - I'm now freelance too, so to quote Richard Hell, it comes in spurts - but I agree with you. It's (usually) in the contract, fergawdsake. To ignore that is illegal - OK, maybe not on a par with murder, but against the law of the land.

In this instance, it's not like Parkyandstaff have failed to crack on, and it's perhaps possible there wasn't an actual written agreement (or it didn't have a fulfilment date). But that's splitting legal hairs. More importantly, the whole thing stinks and strongly suggests nobody can trust Ken to pay them - whether that's his fault or the club's fiscal shitshow.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Hoboh » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:24 pm

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I mean if the business has no money...then I think there is an excuse. But that should have been communicated far better than "email all".

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:47 pm

I wonder what people like Stephen Ireland think of the situation at Bolton? Not a great inducement to give your all when you can't guarantee your wages, I would think. Unless something drastic happens (why hasn't it up till now) I can't see anything but all our decent players jumping ship and not even wanting offered deals that can't be guarenteed? I'm asking, not telling because I just can't even imagine how we ever got to this? It's sickening.
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:55 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I mean if the business has no money...then I think there is an excuse. But that should have been communicated far better than "email all".
If a business has no means of paying it's contractual sums on time, it has no business being in business. It still has no excuse. Hence, probably, why the mentions of a mass abandonment in the January window...
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Prufrock » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:56 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I mean if the business has no money...then I think there is an excuse. But that should have been communicated far better than "email all".
He took over the business. He signed almost all of the contracts. He signed off on the payments for Magennis and Doige. "I ran the business badly" is not an excuse.
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:28 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:56 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I mean if the business has no money...then I think there is an excuse. But that should have been communicated far better than "email all".
He took over the business. He signed almost all of the contracts. He signed off on the payments for Magennis and Doige. "I ran the business badly" is not an excuse.
You are arguing something different to my point. Irrespective of blame if the business accounts are empty - they cannot pay the wages. Its a simple fact. Just as if my bank account is empty I cannot pay my bills.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by boltonboris » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:31 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:28 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:56 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I mean if the business has no money...then I think there is an excuse. But that should have been communicated far better than "email all".
He took over the business. He signed almost all of the contracts. He signed off on the payments for Magennis and Doige. "I ran the business badly" is not an excuse.
You are arguing something different to my point. Irrespective of blame if the business accounts are empty - they cannot pay the wages. Its a simple fact. Just as if my bank account is empty I cannot pay my bills.
Not sure you'd be treating the wife to a new car, if you were in that situation though
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Prufrock » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:39 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:28 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:56 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I mean if the business has no money...then I think there is an excuse. But that should have been communicated far better than "email all".
He took over the business. He signed almost all of the contracts. He signed off on the payments for Magennis and Doige. "I ran the business badly" is not an excuse.
You are arguing something different to my point. Irrespective of blame if the business accounts are empty - they cannot pay the wages. Its a simple fact. Just as if my bank account is empty I cannot pay my bills.


No, you're arguing something different to your point :D. You said that's an excuse. It's not, though it may be an explanation.

Though to use your example does that still apply if you and your son had another bank account with the best part of a million in consultancy fees in it (not including your wages).
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:45 pm

There is no excuse imho. Bonuses appear not to have been paid to the coaching staff from last season. Players weren't paid bonuses in July, yet we made a "small profit" following last season and the sale of Madine. It wasn't like we were hoarding money to pay off Blumarble, because we know ED funded that, despite KA seeing fit to put the club into admin over it, and we agreed fees for Magennis and Doidge. We had the Heathcote's non-payment issue, Karl Henry's non-payment issue. There were reported issues for the October salaries at the start of November and now this issue. It has happened numerous times prior to this season.

KA just doesn't appear to value honouring deals to pay people. It doesn't appear to be a priority of his. And so it shouldn't be a priority of anyone to agree to work for him. The players and management should all leave, and I wish them well.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Jugs » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:14 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:57 am
Jugs wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 am
I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.
When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.
I get it but I'm finding it hard to muster any sympathy for the players atm, owing to how piss poor they've been at time this season. IF they're going to the press with "I'm finding a new club because I was paid a few days late" statements, as a fan watching an absolute shit show of a season - and ignoring all these legal obligations for a moment - it just gripes a bit.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by irie Cee Bee » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:26 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:47 pm
I wonder what people like Stephen Ireland think of the situation at Bolton? Not a great inducement to give your all when you can't guarantee your wages, I would think. Unless something drastic happens (why hasn't it up till now) I can't see anything but all our decent players jumping ship and not even wanting offered deals that can't be guarenteed? I'm asking, not telling because I just can't even imagine how we ever got to this? It's sickening.
Yeah Tango, there are several clubs who have sent buses just waiting for our players based on their performance this season. They currently have plenty of options.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:37 pm

irie Cee Bee wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:26 pm
TANGODANCER wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:47 pm
I wonder what people like Stephen Ireland think of the situation at Bolton? Not a great inducement to give your all when you can't guarantee your wages, I would think. Unless something drastic happens (why hasn't it up till now) I can't see anything but all our decent players jumping ship and not even wanting offered deals that can't be guarenteed? I'm asking, not telling because I just can't even imagine how we ever got to this? It's sickening.
Yeah Tango, there are several clubs who have sent buses just waiting for our players based on their performance this season. They currently have plenty of options.
Ha, point taken mate, but if we lose even them due to our problems, they'll look like Real Madrid compared to what we'll be able to afford. John MaGinley, Dave Lee and Tony Kelly may not be done yet, and Ivan Campo has promised to return if we call, and SuperKev might still have his boots dubbined.... :oyea:
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by officer_dibble » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:35 pm

I see reading are looking for a new manager.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by palindromeofbolton » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:33 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
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I see reading are looking for a new manager.
PP 5/1 second favourite this time 'round, behind Steve Bruce.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:37 pm

palindromeofbolton wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:33 pm
officer_dibble wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:35 pm
I see reading are looking for a new manager.
PP 5/1 second favourite this time 'round, behind Steve Bruce.
Good. I hope he walks out and takes the Reading job. That might just be the trigger to get rid of Anderson.
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:45 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:37 pm
palindromeofbolton wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:33 pm
officer_dibble wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:35 pm
I see reading are looking for a new manager.
PP 5/1 second favourite this time 'round, behind Steve Bruce.
Good. I hope he walks out and takes the Reading job. That might just be the trigger to get rid of Anderson.
It would be interesting to see Ken's next move if Parky did go of his own volition (as opposed to being hurled in front of the bus by the chairman). Not as in who he'd hire, although in itself that would be interesting. More whether he could be civil. Gartside couldn't manage it with Allardyce, and Ken has rarely spoken highly of anyone who's left.

I fear Ken won't give up his increasingly sickly golden goose even if it's squawking its last and squeezing out nothing but blood.

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Harry Genshaw » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:47 pm

I almost hope they offer him the job as I think it'll suit all parties.

Parky could leave us with his head held high for the job he's done in extremely difficult circumstances and we could be due a tiny bit of compo (?)
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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Hoboh » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:35 pm

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Re: Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:46 pm

per Marc Iles ets tweet, Parky is now the bookies’ favourite for the Reading job. Doesn’t always mean anything bar them trying to ameliorate their losses but from the quote above it sounds like there’s something in it.

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