Should they stay or should they go? Summer 2020 edition

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Which of the following should we try to have at the club next season?

Poll ended at Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:22 pm

Remi Matthews
16
8%
Josh Emmanuel
14
7%
Jack Hobbs
1
1%
Yoan Zouma
13
7%
Toto Nsiala
5
3%
Kean Bryan
11
6%
Brandon Fleming
5
3%
Joe Bunney
13
7%
Jason Lowe
16
8%
Luke Murphy
2
1%
Ethan Hamilton
7
4%
Jacob Mellis
5
3%
Ali Crawford
21
11%
Ronan Darcy
22
11%
Anthony Georgiou
1
1%
Joe Dodoo
14
7%
Chris O'Grady
6
3%
Daryl Murphy
16
8%
Connor Hall
2
1%
Keith Hill
3
2%
 
Total votes: 193

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Should they stay or should they go? Summer 2020 edition

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:22 pm

Might as well start in now on the rapidly becoming traditional discussion of which folk whose contracts are up this summer we should try to keep for next season. This would presumably be in addition to Harry Brockbank, Ryan Delaney, George Thomason and Mo Faal (contracted to summer 2021) plus Liam Edwards and Dennis Politic (summer 2022).

Usual rules - you can vote for as many or as few as you like, and you can change your mind at any point. Poll ends Jun 30, the traditional last day of a player's contract. Feel free to discuss your thoughts (as we won't see individual votes).

For the record, loanees Nsiala, Bryan, Fleming and Georgiou are all contracted to their parent clubs for another season, to summer 2021; it looks like Hamilton might be a free agent. Oh and I'm not sure on the last name's contract situation.

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Re: Should they stay or should they go? Summer 2020 edition

Post by LeverEnd » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:37 pm

DMurphy Darcy Crawford Mellis Matthews Lowe Bunney.

Mellis and Bunney just out of curiosity, Matthews I think isn't great but still relatively inexperienced. Get someone else in to challenge him and let Pollitt work on him. Can't be easy with that team in front of you.
Reminds me of uni 5 a side games when one of our defenders would pop off for a fag break and you just hoped you weren't in goal for those few minutes.
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Re: Should they stay or should they go? Summer 2020 edition

Post by Harry Genshaw » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:50 pm

It's saying something that despite ticking several boxes, I still couldn't bring myself to tick Luke Murphy's, for a go in the 4th division. I'm undecided on Hill too so he didnt get one either.

Matthew's (but as per LE, I'd want him to have a serious challenger or we let him go)
Emmanuel
Zouma
Bunney
Bryan
Lowe
Mellis
Hamilton
Crawford
Darcy
Dodoo
O'Grady
D Murphy

I think Dodoo, Darcy, Lowe, Crawford, Hamilton and Bryan are all likely to have other options at L1 level.
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Re: Should they stay or should they go? Summer 2020 edition

Post by nicholaldo » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:42 pm

Who I voted to keep: Matthews, Emmanuel, Bryan, Fleming, Bunney, Lowe, Hamilton, Mellis (court case permitting), Crawford, Darcy, O'Grady, Daryl Murphy

Who I expect we'll keep: Matthews, Hobbs, Bunney, Lowe, Luke Murphy, Hamilton, Mellis (court case permitting), Dodoo, O'Grady

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:45 pm

Matthews - if he goes, we'll miss his shot-stopping more than his erratic decision-making
Emmanuel - better going forward than back, and he should be doing more of the former in D4. Needs competition tho
Bunney - done nowt wrong! :D Like Emmanuel can also play further forward, so that's flexible
Lowe - might get other offers but seems rooted to Lancashire. Hill loves him.
Hamilton - there's a player there, if we can polish and harness it
Mellis - short-term contract until his court case. Prove yourself and win another.
Crawford - would expect D3 offers but I'd ask anyway
Darcy - sign on, son
Dodoo - I mean he's no Cruyff but useful for D4?
DMurph - Doubt he'd take the league or wage but again, no asky no getty
Hill - just about, for now, but I'm not confident.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:48 pm

nicholaldo wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:42 pm
Who I voted to keep: Matthews, Emmanuel, Bryan, Fleming, Bunney, Lowe, Hamilton, Mellis (court case permitting), Crawford, Darcy, O'Grady, Daryl Murphy

Who I expect we'll keep: Matthews, Hobbs, Bunney, Lowe, Luke Murphy, Hamilton, Mellis (court case permitting), Dodoo, O'Grady
Heh, lol on Hobbs and Luke Murphy - like you, for me it's time to move on but I guess we will ask. That said, Hill didn't like Luke early on.

Kean Bryan I haven't seen enough of, but I wouldn't be against a year's loan to prove himself and possibly earn a permanent move - by the time that hypothetical year's loan ended, we'd be out of embargo and maybejustmaybe having turned the corner.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:50 pm
I think Dodoo, Darcy, Lowe, Crawford, Hamilton and Bryan are all likely to have other options at L1 level.
Hamilton's on course for two relegations from it in one season! But I agree for the others.

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Re: Should they stay or should they go? Summer 2020 edition

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:56 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:37 pm
Reminds me of uni 5 a side games when one of our defenders would pop off for a fag break and you just hoped you weren't in goal for those few minutes.
I'd have been having a fag break too. Not diving with a lit cig.

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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:10 pm

I think people recognised last season, we were a bit shit. We still won 8...This year we're stuck on 5 at the minute. You'd hope to win a couple in spite of the manager...about the only one I might think of keeping probably Crawford. We should then try and sign 10 matching gingers.

Maybe with Dodoo, Darcy and Lowe...but not sure I'd lose sleep

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:59 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
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I think people recognised last season, we were a bit shit. We still won 8...This year we're stuck on 5 at the minute.
And in a worse league, albeit with worse players.

Of the eight wins last year, three came in the first four games. Which means we've had 10 wins in 72 league games (and yes, I'm including the Brentford home game, which was its own very special victory-avoider)

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Post by officer_dibble » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:55 pm

Hands up who voted for Luke Murphy??

I actually think the poor lad has fallen out with football, he’ll disappear after we release him. Mentally he is shot. Footballwise, he ain’t anything. Can’t tackle, pass, shoot, not the fittest. One of the most disappointing players we have ever had.

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:06 pm

I voted for Anthony Georgiou. All I know about him is that he's here on loan from Spurs, but he was the only one with no votes and it looked a bit mean ae:)
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Post by LeverEnd » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:19 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:06 pm
I voted for Anthony Georgiou. All I know about him is that he's here on loan from Spurs, but he was the only one with no votes and it looked a bit mean ae:)
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:54 pm

Quick nudge for this, as we're expecting the released/retained list to go live in the next day or two. Remember that anyone released is still able to come back if the new gaffer (whoever it is) like the cut of his jib.

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Post by The_Gun » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:54 pm

If we could keep any of Crawford, Matthews and Lowe that would be amazing, but I expect all of them to have offers from League 1 clubs. Of the rest I'd take Emmanuel, Bunney, Dodoo and possibly Zouma.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:10 pm

The_Gun wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:54 pm
If we could keep any of Crawford, Matthews and Lowe that would be amazing, but I expect all of them to have offers from League 1 clubs. Of the rest I'd take Emmanuel, Bunney, Dodoo and possibly Zouma.
Aye - and I suppose it's up to the new gaffer how much of his wage bill he'd try to tempt them with.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:50 pm

Ethan Hamilton has been released by the Rags – along with Aidan Barlow, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Alex Fojticek, Dion McGhee, Demetri Mitchell, Kieran O’Hara, Largie Ramazani and George Tanner, if anybody knows them

And if anybody knows them, it should be Phoenix - this kind of released list from nearby Big Clubs should be prominent among the sweep of players we should be checking out

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:10 pm

I think we should sign Largie Ramanzi...just because

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:27 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:10 pm
I think we should sign Largie Ramanzi...just because
Reading that list made me laugh. Largie Ramazani next to George Tanner. Feels like 4 generations apart.

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Post by The_Gun » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:55 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:50 pm
Ethan Hamilton has been released by the Rags – along with Aidan Barlow, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Alex Fojticek, Dion McGhee, Demetri Mitchell, Kieran O’Hara, Largie Ramazani and George Tanner, if anybody knows them

And if anybody knows them, it should be Phoenix - this kind of released list from nearby Big Clubs should be prominent among the sweep of players we should be checking out
Yep, these are exactly the types we should be checking out. The big academies regularly release players who go on to be stars of the football league, and we should absolutely be looking to cultivate a reputation as the north west's premier destination for the best cast-offs.
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Post by nicholaldo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:05 pm

I wouldn't hesitate to bring Hamilton back if he was up for it.

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