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Season 20-21

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:34 am

Thought this thread could be used to discuss how/whether/when the new season can start. Now we have a manager in place and a plan for recruitment and the EFL are proposing dates either at the end of August or 12th September (5th is an international weekend if you can believe that).....it should be noted that there is concern that L1 and 2 would decide not to start on those dates given their funding model relies on fans in the ground - and those dates as it stands would be without fans in the ground.

So what should happen? As I see it there are 3 broad options:
1) You start late August/early September with a limited number of fans allowed in with measures in place
2) You start late August/early September with STs sold on basis of attendance where possible but initially digital streaming (Scotland are doing this)
3) You defer start of the season until fans are allowed in.

Now - the issue with these options as I see it are as follows.

1) Whilst its likely restrictions will be lifted to the point of this being allowed come September it will almost certainly not be practical across many clubs in the lower leagues. Bolton - it would be fine. But think smaller tighter grounds and clubs who will not get close to numbers needed to fund their activities with the restrictions in place. Secondly it also could be ruled out entirely in some areas or even nationwide if the disease remains as high as it does in certain places. You'd also have no away fans which of course is crucial to gate receipts. Even in the best case scenario this doesn't really solve many problems.

2) I'd suggest the issue here is infrastructure and clubs perceived view for it to be a sustainable model. If you have 3000 ST holders you can assume only a % of those would renew based on an unspecified number of games being stream only. You also have the issue of being able to stream and broadcast all games - I'm sure the kit is there but almost certainly requires massive coordination from broadcasters to have suitable quality coverage of every game in FL and from every ground. However, this is the only relatively certain or solid option available. As in you could start planning it today and clubs could start selling STs on this basis and creating revenue.

3) This is I fear what many of our L2 compatriots will opt for - the worry is that you have no idea what the timescale will be to allow fans back into grounds in numbers that will allow for an even reduced financial model to be viable. One assumes at very least you'd need to allow for relatively normal home crowd numbers - this of course becomes more and more challenging at smaller clubs with tighter grounds. I fear the earliest date now you could even plan for would be January - and even that - given you are at height of potential second peak/flu season would be highly movable. And many clubs would not survive that sort of delay.

So I'd argue there isn't a perfect resumption option. One can hope that everything is ok enough in September to get enough fans through the door - but the big question is when would there be clarity and certainty on that to allow clubs to start selling tickets, generating revenue and crucially to give clubs the confidence to support that option. Certainly you're looking at a few weeks at best if you're lucky. Option 2 is the only way you can re-start with some certainty and sense of revenue but you can easily see whilst that suits Bolton Wanderers perfectly it suits Accrington (say) a hell of a lot less.

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by officer_dibble » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:11 pm

Probably needs a bump today.

October for attending games, pandemic willing. I’m not getting into the success or otherwise of our Government and potential for this. All I can say is the sooner I can get to a game and support my club the better.

Club have done a decent thing with tickets as well - some really good prizes in that draw, which they didn’t need to offer as I think those who won’t claim wouldn’t anyway. Top marks.

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by TonyDomingos » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:42 pm

First friendly will be v FC United on 12 August.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:01 am

TonyDomingos wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:42 pm
First friendly will be v FC United on 12 August.
Who's going, then? :-)

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by TonyDomingos » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:11 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:01 am
TonyDomingos wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:42 pm
First friendly will be v FC United on 12 August.
Who's going, then? :-)

I'll be there with a massive fk off "on tour" flag and a couple of blue & white smoke flares, which I'll ignite when Doyle knocks in his fourth.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by LeverEnd » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:27 pm

TonyDomingos wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:11 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:01 am
TonyDomingos wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:42 pm
First friendly will be v FC United on 12 August.
Who's going, then? :-)

I'll be there with a massive fk off "on tour" flag and a couple of blue & white smoke flares, which I'll ignite when Doyle knocks in his fourth.
I fckin knew it. As soon as you walked in that pub at Wimbledon I thought.... hooligan. Spent the rest of the day trying not to antagonise you just in case you turned on your own.
Was expecting a harmless cabaret singer.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by TonyDomingos » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:41 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:27 pm
TonyDomingos wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:11 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:01 am
TonyDomingos wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:42 pm
First friendly will be v FC United on 12 August.
Who's going, then? :-)

I'll be there with a massive fk off "on tour" flag and a couple of blue & white smoke flares, which I'll ignite when Doyle knocks in his fourth.
I fckin knew it. As soon as you walked in that pub at Wimbledon I thought.... hooligan. Spent the rest of the day trying not to antagonise you just in case you turned on your own.
Was expecting a harmless cabaret singer.


Hoolie by day, caberet by night: what's not to like? :P
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:29 am

Bit of Barney Rubble? You'd better count me right in. Sergio Tacchini trackie top, stonewashed jeans and Adidas Sambas at the ready. Get in there!!! :box: :pissed:
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by TonyDomingos » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:56 pm

We'll be playing Harrogate next season. They've just beaten Notts County in the play-off final.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:21 pm

TonyDomingos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:56 pm
We'll be playing Harrogate next season. They've just beaten Notts County in the play-off final.
Congrats to them, nice to have new blood in the league. Pity for the community that they’ll have to pull up their artificial pitch because they aren’t legal in the EFL (but are in the Champions League). I imagine plenty of fans from Bolton and beyond will fancy the trip, if possible.

Also makes it more likely that Kristian Dennis will leave Notts. In case you’ve forgotten, that’s the Manc striker who ‪scored 34 in 70 fifth-tier games (49 starts) and 24 in 84 (58 starts) in League Two – including 19 in 43 (38 starts) in 2017/18 for 24th-placed Chesterfield, captained by Ian Evatt...

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by TonyDomingos » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:26 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:21 pm
TonyDomingos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:56 pm
We'll be playing Harrogate next season. They've just beaten Notts County in the play-off final.
Congrats to them, nice to have new blood in the league. Pity for the community that they’ll have to pull up their artificial pitch because they aren’t legal in the EFL (but are in the Champions League). I imagine plenty of fans from Bolton and beyond will fancy the trip, if possible.

Also makes it more likely that Kristian Dennis will leave Notts. In case you’ve forgotten, that’s the Manc striker who ‪scored 34 in 70 fifth-tier games (49 starts) and 24 in 84 (58 starts) in League Two – including 19 in 43 (38 starts) in 2017/18 for 24th-placed Chesterfield, captained by Ian Evatt...

Dennis was one of two subbed at ht today. Notts were two down at that point.

I'd definitely go to Harrogate if it's possible.
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Às armas, às armas!
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by officer_dibble » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:38 pm

Small ground, be a sell out. Fat badger for a feed and several pints first 👍

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:11 pm

TonyDomingos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:26 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:21 pm
TonyDomingos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:56 pm
We'll be playing Harrogate next season. They've just beaten Notts County in the play-off final.
Congrats to them, nice to have new blood in the league. Pity for the community that they’ll have to pull up their artificial pitch because they aren’t legal in the EFL (but are in the Champions League). I imagine plenty of fans from Bolton and beyond will fancy the trip, if possible.

Also makes it more likely that Kristian Dennis will leave Notts. In case you’ve forgotten, that’s the Manc striker who ‪scored 34 in 70 fifth-tier games (49 starts) and 24 in 84 (58 starts) in League Two – including 19 in 43 (38 starts) in 2017/18 for 24th-placed Chesterfield, captained by Ian Evatt...

Dennis was one of two subbed at ht today. Notts were two down at that point.

I'd definitely go to Harrogate if it's possible.
He was an injury doubt before the game. Not sure I’d let one substitution put me off...

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by TonyDomingos » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:44 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:11 pm
TonyDomingos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:26 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:21 pm
TonyDomingos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:56 pm
We'll be playing Harrogate next season. They've just beaten Notts County in the play-off final.
Congrats to them, nice to have new blood in the league. Pity for the community that they’ll have to pull up their artificial pitch because they aren’t legal in the EFL (but are in the Champions League). I imagine plenty of fans from Bolton and beyond will fancy the trip, if possible.

Also makes it more likely that Kristian Dennis will leave Notts. In case you’ve forgotten, that’s the Manc striker who ‪scored 34 in 70 fifth-tier games (49 starts) and 24 in 84 (58 starts) in League Two – including 19 in 43 (38 starts) in 2017/18 for 24th-placed Chesterfield, captained by Ian Evatt...

Dennis was one of two subbed at ht today. Notts were two down at that point.

I'd definitely go to Harrogate if it's possible.
He was an injury doubt before the game. Not sure I’d let one substitution put me off...

Sorry, wasn't suggesting we read anything in to the subbing, it was just a statement of fact.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:02 pm

No drama mate. We’ll see. Evatt doesn’t seem to insist on hiring old mates but this one might make sense. Might not - I’ve no idea what he’s like as a player, might be too similar to Doyle.

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Re: Season 20-21

Post by LeverEnd » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:32 pm

Excellent. Really nice ground. Went to their playoff against Fylde a few years ago when living in North Leeds. Let's hope the away is late in the season.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Prufrock » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:03 pm

With the extra holiday not used up, and still playing on Saturdays I'm going to try to go to as many midweek games as I can next year. That would be a belter.

Though if Boreham Wood had gone up I could've played at 1pm and then still watched us. Literally turn up in my boots.
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:21 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:38 pm
Small ground, be a sell out. Fat badger for a feed and several pints first 👍
Unfortunately Loch Fyne closed their Harrogate restaurant. There is an excellent Greek place (Mykonos) close to the Convention Centre - they do a splendid Mezze.
I nominate Harrogate as being my new Fulham. Make a weekend of it, lovely place, friendly locals, cracking nosebag, great pubs with decent ale, oh, and they'll batter us whenever we play them too. ;)
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Re: Season 20-21

Post by officer_dibble » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:25 am

Count me in. Watch it be away behind closed doors in September now! Same as my dream (?) Bristol away day, always seems to be a bloody tuesday!

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