A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Spartan2 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:44 pm

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I knew he was on in real time, I wanted to blame it all on Baptiste cos he's shit, but Brockbank is also playing him on just out of shot of that picture. It's really the managers fault for playing Baptiste and playing Brockbank out of position.

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Bruce Rioja » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:04 pm

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I knew he was on in real time, I wanted to blame it all on Baptiste cos he's shit, but Brockbank is also playing him on just out of shot of that picture. It's really the managers fault for playing Baptiste and playing Brockbank out of position.
Well, Spartan, I'd say that Brockbank is a novice being played out of position and who is arguably playing their lad on (personally I don't think he is). Baptiste, on the other hand, is a 34 year veteran of around 500 games across all divisions who is playing their lad on by a country mile. Brockbank should be looking to learn from the likes of Baptiste - I hope to feck he doesn't.
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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:26 pm

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Doyle's heat-map is also more prevalent on the left of centre mid and centre circle.

Arthur popped up both left and right around the 18 yard box line.

No idea how accurate WhoScored heat maps is at an individual level, but that ties in roughly with what I thought I saw :-)
In old money....Doyle kept coming deep to try and get on the ball and Arthur ran the channels.

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:37 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:04 pm
Spartan2 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:44 pm
I knew he was on in real time, I wanted to blame it all on Baptiste cos he's shit, but Brockbank is also playing him on just out of shot of that picture. It's really the managers fault for playing Baptiste and playing Brockbank out of position.
Well, Spartan, I'd say that Brockbank is a novice being played out of position and who is arguably playing their lad on (personally I don't think he is). Baptiste, on the other hand, is a 34 year veteran of around 500 games across all divisions who is playing their lad on by a country mile. Brockbank should be looking to learn from the likes of Baptiste - I hope to feck he doesn't.
Brockbank wasn't playing him on.
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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Spartan2 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:56 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:37 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:04 pm
Spartan2 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:44 pm
I knew he was on in real time, I wanted to blame it all on Baptiste cos he's shit, but Brockbank is also playing him on just out of shot of that picture. It's really the managers fault for playing Baptiste and playing Brockbank out of position.
Well, Spartan, I'd say that Brockbank is a novice being played out of position and who is arguably playing their lad on (personally I don't think he is). Baptiste, on the other hand, is a 34 year veteran of around 500 games across all divisions who is playing their lad on by a country mile. Brockbank should be looking to learn from the likes of Baptiste - I hope to feck he doesn't.
Brockbank wasn't playing him on.
Clearly not. Baptiste just taking up a position 5 yards behind the defensive line, the absolute shit get.

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:00 pm

Yeah, that's inexcusable from Baptiste. Even if that were Senior you'd be having a stern word with the lad, but for a player of his experience to do that is ridiculous. He needs dropping for numerous reasons, but that is the icing on the cake.

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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:28 pm

Maybe, unbeknown to us, we were secretly playing a sweeper!

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 am

That 3rd goal though its just a complete mess. It isn't entirely Baptiste's fault look at the shape there or complete lack of it. Even if Baptiste stepped up its a cute pass and someone is in behind in that space. You cannot defend like that. No pressure on the ball, Delaney and Crawford - wtaf are they doing? It is just a mess. And yes Baptiste is god awful and shouldn't be in there - but there is no defensive line or shape. So no wonder it went wrong.

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Prufrock » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:27 am

Eh? If Baptiste steps up anyone in "that space" is offside, that's the point. There absolutely is pressure on the ball. There is (pace that dozy cnut) a line, and there is no-one eg goal side of their man looking to break that line. That one is pretty much all on Baptiste.
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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:23 am

Prufrock wrote:
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Eh? If Baptiste steps up anyone in "that space" is offside, that's the point. There absolutely is pressure on the ball. There is (pace that dozy cnut) a line, and there is no-one eg goal side of their man looking to break that line. That one is pretty much all on Baptiste.
Yep. It's good build-up from Barrow but aided by our defending.

The video is here (click that link to start in the right place or scroll to 43s below):
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There are reasons we get into that shape, and they're largely about tracking runners.

• As the clip starts, Bradley Barry (27) receives the ball near the touchline so our LWB Brockbank quite rightly comes to meet him.

• That creates space in behind him – not a new problem, it happens to Gordon and Mascoll and even to good wingbacks - and their No.18, who turns out to be a right-side centre-back called Zouma, goes into that space. Again, understandably, Crawford goes with him – otherwise an opponent would be in a good crossing position 30 yards from goal.
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• However, that creates a big hole in midfield. Seeing this, Barry passes infield to Mike Jones (8) who happily drives forward. Comley doesn't quite know whether to attack him or hold back – again, understandably: he's the best part of 15 yards away so he would just get passed around. He holds the line and signals with his left arm for someone to watch 28 (Chris Taylor).
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• Nobody really does. Brockbank comes towards him but by now Taylor's movement has caused Crawford to edge toward him, so with Brockbank and Crawford coming infield Taylor indicates Jones should pass out wide, where Barry and Zouma still lurk.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:24 am

• That works brilliantly - for Barrow. Jones sees the option and almost plays wide but notices that both Brockbank and Crawford have half-turned to cover the wide men. (Note Delaney – marginally behind Santos, who has gone with centre-forward Quigley dropping slightly short to offer an option, but level with Baptiste – is now also signalling for them to track wide.) With Comley stealthily approaching, this leaves a split-second chance for Jones to thread a 10-yard alley-ball to Taylor, who is awake enough not just to demand the ball but also to look over his right shoulder and assess passing options.
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• Jones's simple pass finds Taylor between four Bolton players but crucially with enough room to act, if he's quick, which he is. Delaney entirely correctly comes to close him down so he moves into the area behind Comley; Crawford tracks him with Delaney while Brockbank flicks wide toward Zouma.
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• Now we're in trouble. Quigley has dragged Santos out, Delaney is on Taylor, while Baptiste is quite rightly man-marking the pacy Dior Angus. Less correctly, he and he alone is playing him on. As the ball is played, he's five yards goalside of his centre-back partners, four yards goalside of Brockbank and – despite Evatt's claims – clearly goalside of Angus. Taylor rolls the ball through and Angus wallops home.
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So whose fault is it? Well, credit to Barrow for pulling us about: their simple five-yard movements and awareness are more effective here than a lot of our Hollywood moves (Doyle running toward Crellin, Crawford hitting a 40-yard pass over the back-line). I'm not ecstatic about Comley's lack of awareness – I understand him not going to meet Jones but he doesn't look around again after that or a simple two-yard leftward shuffle might have dissuaded Jones from passing and certainly would have closed the gap that Taylor assisted through. Crawford and Brockbank are just trying to do their jobs; although I suspect Crawford was somewhat glad to let Delaney close down Taylor (which should really be a midfielder's job), the Irishman was closer and seconds matter. Baptiste, who has had the least movement to cope with, is the one who's too slow in thought, action or both.

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:29 pm

Well, having seen every bugger in a Bolton shirt in our half from the 43s mark except Doyle, I'm going to blame him (as no one has blamed him yet)! :-)

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:37 pm

Only just read all that pish back and noticed I didn't use the clearest grab of the moment the ball is played:
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He's on, and Baptiste is to blame.

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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Prufrock » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:51 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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He's on, and Baptiste is to blame.
I think that's what the kids call a tl;dr :D
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Re: A Barrow load of trouble. Barrow (A) League 2. 20/10/20 KO 7pm

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:04 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:51 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:37 pm

He's on, and Baptiste is to blame.
I think that's what the kids call a tl;dr :D
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