9/11 Conspiracy Theory - Very interesting stuff

[sluffy]

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[Harry Genshaw]

They recovered both boxes from Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania, Harry.

Didnt know that. What was heard on the recordings? Has it been made public? There is a school of thought that flight 93 was shot down by the USAF.

[Montreal Wanderer]

They recovered both boxes from Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania, Harry.

Didnt know that. What was heard on the recordings? Has it been made public? There is a school of thought that flight 93 was shot down by the USAF.

Only transcripts have been released to the public which show the hijackers decided to crash the plane during the passenger rebellion. Of course, since it is only a transcript, who'd believe it? The plane flying nearby (relatively) was a corporate jet not a military plane. On the blackbox (they are orange) recovery see this

[Harry Genshaw]

Mmm Interesting stuff Monty. There seems to be quite a bit of contradictory info on there though. Did the passengers get into the cockpit and bring the plane down or not? One official scource said no, t'other says they did. Same for whether the pilot was murdered or not.

I read only last night that some parties refute that there were any successful calls made from the flight because mobiles aren't operative above 8000 feet. I dont know how high flight 93 was flying but surely all the bereaved families who claimed to have received calls werent lying?

Whatever the circumstances - may the victims rest in peace.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Mmm Interesting stuff Monty. There seems to be quite a bit of contradictory info on there though. Did the passengers get into the cockpit and bring the plane down or not? One official scource said no, t'other says they did. Same for whether the pilot was murdered or not.

I read only last night that some parties refute that there were any successful calls made from the flight because mobiles aren't operative above 8000 feet. I dont know how high flight 93 was flying but surely all the bereaved families who claimed to have received calls werent lying?

Whatever the circumstances - may the victims rest in peace.

Amen.

The Popular Mechanics article Lennon posted was pretty convincing to me and covered most of the aspects that conspiracy theorists bring up.[/url]

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I asked Michael Portillo, someone I have a lot of respect for, about the 9/11 conspiracy theories last Friday and he was quite clear that they are all nonsense.

[Batman]

Oh right, there you go then. Must be tripe if Portillo says so.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I asked Michael Portillo, someone I have a lot of respect for, about the 9/11 conspiracy theories last Friday and he was quite clear that they are all nonsense.

That's what i've been saying for a week and you didn't believe me? Who's this Portillo chap anyway?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Oh right, there you go then. Must be tripe if Portillo says so.

No, I didn't say that. But it was interesting for me to hear how unequivocal he was - he is always very good on international affairs.

[warthog]

I asked Michael Portillo, someone I have a lot of respect for, about the 9/11 conspiracy theories last Friday and he was quite clear that they are all nonsense.

That's what i've been saying for a week and you didn't believe me? Who's this Portillo chap anyway?

Failed politician

[Batman]

He is a succesful figure of national ridicule Monty.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I asked Michael Portillo, someone I have a lot of respect for, about the 9/11 conspiracy theories last Friday and he was quite clear that they are all nonsense.

That's what i've been saying for a week and you didn't believe me? Who's this Portillo chap anyway?

Failed politician

He was a politician, gave it up when the numpties in the Conservative Party chose Iain Duncan-Smith over him, and is now a respected journalist.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Interestingly differing views of Portillo.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Interestingly differing views of Portillo.

Well, he's a Conservative who began his career under Thatcher, so what do you expect?

[Bruce Rioja]

I asked Michael Portillo, someone I have a lot of respect for, about the 9/11 conspiracy theories last Friday and he was quite clear that they are all nonsense.

Ahh, but have you typed out what he said into Wingdings. Now there's your acid test, sonny Jim.

[blurred]

OK, I'll tell you. In the cockpit of all American planes there is a spare seat, this seat is known as the Jump Seat. The reason for the spare seat is that an American Aviation Official can, and will, turn up without any prior warning whatsoever to asses the Pilots.

Now then, American Pilots get free air travel when they're not working or when they've dropped a plane off somewhere or whatever. Usually Pilots are offered accomodation in First Class if available, but it is more common for them to ask for the Jump Seat so that they've got someone to talk to.

Bearing in mind that the Hi-jackers were also qualified Pilots, they too asked for the jump seats, then, when in place and the planes were airborne they cut the throats of the original Pilots.

My first foray into this thread, and admittedly it's an old post but I'd like to question this somewhat. Yes the hijackers (some of them) had attended aviation schools, but unless they were contracted employees of a major airline there's no way that they would be allowed into the cockpit, and certainly not just on the grounds that they had a pilots license that allowed them to fly nowt bigger than a Cesena. I don't recall seeing any evidence that the hijackers worked for the airlines, and doubt highly that they would have been allowed the jump seat.

And no, I'm not doubting the jump seat and its existence, after all we've all seen 'Catch Me If You Can'.

[Bruce Rioja]

OK, I'll tell you. In the cockpit of all American planes there is a spare seat, this seat is known as the Jump Seat. The reason for the spare seat is that an American Aviation Official can, and will, turn up without any prior warning whatsoever to asses the Pilots.

Now then, American Pilots get free air travel when they're not working or when they've dropped a plane off somewhere or whatever. Usually Pilots are offered accomodation in First Class if available, but it is more common for them to ask for the Jump Seat so that they've got someone to talk to.

Bearing in mind that the Hi-jackers were also qualified Pilots, they too asked for the jump seats, then, when in place and the planes were airborne they cut the throats of the original Pilots.

My first foray into this thread, and admittedly it's an old post but I'd like to question this somewhat. Yes the hijackers (some of them) had attended aviation schools, but unless they were contracted employees of a major airline there's no way that they would be allowed into the cockpit, and certainly not just on the grounds that they had a pilots license that allowed them to fly nowt bigger than a Cesena. I don't recall seeing any evidence that the hijackers worked for the airlines, and doubt highly that they would have been allowed the jump seat.

And no, I'm not doubting the jump seat and its existence, after all we've all seen 'Catch Me If You Can'.

Question it all you want, Blurred. That account was given to me first hand by pilots of American Airlines that I was sat chatting to in London a couple of years ago. Apparently it is extremely common for pilots of all airlines to hitch a ride in the jump seat. Their account, not mine. (Oh, and I've never even heard of Catch Me If You Can, what is it? a film? )

[blurred]

Question it all you want, Blurred. That account was given to me first hand by pilots of American Airlines that I was sat chatting to in London a couple of years ago. Apparently it is extremely common for pilots of all airlines to hitch a ride in the jump seat. Their account, not mine.

Read what I said again. I'm not saying it's uncommon, I'm saying that none of the hijackers worked for any airlines. They had rudimentary flying skills (almost certainly none of them with jets the size of the passenger flights they were on) and therefore would not have been given the jump seat.

Unless anyone can point me to evidence that John Q Terrorist (can't be arsed researching the names of all the hijackers, but whoever supposedly did the flying out of the 19 or so gentlemen concerned) was a salaried pilot with any reputable airline, then this theory to me is complete bunkum.

As I said, I know the jump seat exists, and know how and when it's used, but it would not have been in this instance, unless John Q Terrorist was a pilot for Continental/Virgin/NorthWest/AA/whoever. Which he wasn't.

[Lennon]

A quick google search finds an interesting article about this jumpseat thing:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643665/posts

(And I suppose this answers the above post.)

[Gertie]

My friend worked for Air Miles and as they are counted as British Airways employees she has flown in the jump seat on BA flights that were full when travelling on business.

She hates flying and loathed every second of it. I'd think it would be great.... I'd be asking them what all the buttons did.