Kramer goes Krazy

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:07 pm

ex-Seinfeld star Michael Richards is presumably no relation to near-namesake Micah Richards, given his recent racial tirade at a couple of black hecklers...

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-r ... t-on-tape/ (and many a YouTube)

...the hecklers are suing.

James B · Post by **James B** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:19 pm

yeah read about this

daft thing to do on both sides really

heard richards has given a grovelling apology since

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:21 pm

James B wrote:heard richards has given a grovelling apology since

Adjectives I've seen tend more towards "shallow", "unconvincing", that sort of thing. Almost certainly career death.

Village Idiot · Post by **Village Idiot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:25 pm

The hecklers are suing?

Really the States have a surplus of lawyer population.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:28 pm

Village Idiot wrote:The hecklers are suing?

Really the States have a surplus of lawyer population.

They won't be suing because he had a blast back at them; that's life. He'll get deservedly sued for unacceptable racial insult.
Man must be a real plonker.

Village Idiot · Post by **Village Idiot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:The hecklers are suing?

Really the States have a surplus of lawyer population.
They won't be suing because he had a blast back at them; that's life. He'll get deservedly sued for unacceptable racial insult.
Man must be a real plonker.

Racism is a disgraceful think, but taking somebody to court because of a slur? Lawyer cash-grab.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:39 pm

Village Idiot wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:The hecklers are suing?

Really the States have a surplus of lawyer population.
They won't be suing because he had a blast back at them; that's life. He'll get deservedly sued for unacceptable racial insult.
Man must be a real plonker.
Racism is a disgraceful think, but taking somebody to court because of a slur? Lawyer cash-grab.

What Richards said was unacceptable; it wasn't even funny, which might JUST have excused it.
But I think there's something very modern about a heckler suing for the reaction to his abuse.

Dr.Karl · Post by **Dr.Karl** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:15 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
James B wrote:heard richards has given a grovelling apology since
Adjectives I've seen tend more towards "shallow", "unconvincing", that sort of thing. Almost certainly career death.

His career was over waaay before then!

a1 · Post by a1 » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:52 pm

depending on who you believe, he earned $1500 for every word he spoke on seinfeld ..

"seinfeld then nothing" , 'that'll do me. dickheads ! ' ..

keveh · Post by **keveh** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:09 pm

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Batman · Post by **Batman** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:47 pm

I love Seinfeld, I love Michael Richards. I hope he comes through this, he is a genuinely funny bloke with a gift for physical comedy.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:31 pm

Batman wrote:I love Seinfeld, I love Michael Richards. I hope he comes through this, he is a genuinely funny bloke with a gift for physical comedy.

Not sure how he'll get through it without pleading insanity. No argument about who said what with an audience involved as witnesses. He's got problems grand style.

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:39 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Batman wrote:I love Seinfeld, I love Michael Richards. I hope he comes through this, he is a genuinely funny bloke with a gift for physical comedy.
Not sure how he'll get through it without pleading insanity. No argument about who said what with an audience involved as witnesses. He's got problems grand style.

Get through what exactly? I don't think any criminal case is being made against him. If he is being sued by an the audience member, this would be a civil suit. If a black heckler drove him to say rash and stupid things I'm not sure there would be much of a case for damages - perhaps a refund of the ticket price! Such a suit could be considered vexacious and there could be a counter-suit. I doubt it is even career death tbh. I would think, however, if he is going to continue with stand up comedy he needs to undergo serious counselling.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:03 pm

Well, we can't really say much about kicking racism out of football when an entertainer can shout "Nigger" at a black person from the stage, can we? Why can a high-profile footballer cause world-wide outrage if he spouts a racist remark, yet a stage personality have it just brushed away? Can't have it both ways without being hypocritical.

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:14 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:Well, we can't really say much about kicking racism out of football when an entertainer can shout "Nigger" at a black person from the stage, can we? Why can a high-profile footballer cause world-wide outrage if he spouts a racist remark, yet a stage personality have it just brushed away? Can't have it both ways without being hypocritical.

Sorry, Tango, I wasn't sure what you expected him to get through without pleading insanity (insanity being a defence in criminal actions but not, as far as I know, in civil suits). We certainly can't condone Richards behaviour - and I'm not sure that he was 'sane' at that particular moment. However, there won't be a criminal case (at least I don't think there will) so no insanity defence.

Village Idiot · Post by **Village Idiot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:17 pm

But we're not jailing footballers for racist remarks. Their private employers (clubs and FA) fine them and don't allow to take part in their privately organized competitions. That's the kind of self-regulation that society should engage when combating this kind of racism. Richards will probably see his name blacklisted from most comedy clubs, and probably won't be hired for another TV series, but the law of the land should not step on what ultimately is "just" an insult.

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:21 pm

Village Idiot wrote:But we're not jailing footballers for racist remarks. Their private employers (clubs and FA) fine them and don't allow to take part in their privately organized competitions. That's the kind of self-regulation that society should engage when combating this kind of racism. Richards will probably see his name blacklisted from most comedy clubs, and probably won't be hired for another TV series, but the law of the land should not step on what ultimately is "just" an insult.

That's about right - except I doubt he will utlimately be blackballed from clubs. Probably become an even greater celebrity. TV, with its dependence on advertising may be a little more leery.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:23 pm

I still love him.

Nozza · Post by **Nozza** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:24 pm

If the hecklers win this civil case, I'm going to sue anyone who calls me a Mackem bastard.

I reckon I'll get 3 bags of pork scratchings. Nice.

Village Idiot · Post by **Village Idiot** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:25 pm

Hoolio wrote:If the hecklers win this civil case, I'm going to sue anyone who calls me a Mackem bastard.

I reckon I'll get 3 bags of pork scratchings. Nice.

Poor Lee Clark.

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