The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Part of the problem is that while Pakistan voted to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, as a country it has never signed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Therefore it is not bound by any of the terms. It has failed to sign a number of other UN Human Rights instruments, but then the same is true of the USA.

Which begs the question, why did some liberal leaning dickhead in the UK design and sign us up to this crap? Our judges and our laws have been good enough for centuries. We do not need this wishy washy crap that the bad guys simply ignore and makes criminals look like feckin' victims.

[Beefheart]

Which bit of the ECHR do you disagree with Hoboh? Name an Article from it you don't like.

[Worthy4England]

Part of the problem is that while Pakistan voted to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, as a country it has never signed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Therefore it is not bound by any of the terms. It has failed to sign a number of other UN Human Rights instruments, but then the same is true of the USA.

Which begs the question, why did some liberal leaning dickhead in the UK design and sign us up to this crap? Our judges and our laws have been good enough for centuries. We do not need this wishy washy crap that the bad guys simply ignore and makes criminals look like feckin' victims.

Which crap (approximately)?

[Hoboh]

Which bit of the ECHR do you disagree with Hoboh? Name an Article from it you don't like.

I thought I made it clear

None of it.

Nor do I agree with most of the UN conventions being most of them are worthless and the institution toothless. They are a charter for the small loony countries who want to poke the big boys with a stick or an excuse for Labor not to approve action in Syria without a UN resolution that most surely will be vetoed by certain countries.

[Hoboh]

Part of the problem is that while Pakistan voted to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, as a country it has never signed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Therefore it is not bound by any of the terms. It has failed to sign a number of other UN Human Rights instruments, but then the same is true of the USA.

Which begs the question, why did some liberal leaning dickhead in the UK design and sign us up to this crap? Our judges and our laws have been good enough for centuries. We do not need this wishy washy crap that the bad guys simply ignore and makes criminals look like feckin' victims.

Which crap (approximately)?

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Convention for the Protection
of Human Rights
and Fundamental Freedoms
Rome, 4.XI.1950
The Governments signatory hereto, being members of the Council
of Europe,
Considering the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
proclaimed by the General Assembly of the United Nations on
10th December 1948;
Considering that this Declaration aims at securing the universal
and effective recognition and observance of the Rights therein
declared;
Considering that the aim of the Council of Europe is the achievement
of greater unity between its members and that one of the methods
by which that aim is to be pursued is the maintenance and further
realisation of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms;
Reaffirming their profound belief in those fundamental freedoms
which are the foundation of justice and peace in the world and
are best maintained on the one hand by an effective political
democracy and on the other by a common understanding and
observance of the Human Rights upon which they depend;
Being resolved, as the governments of European countries
which are likeminded and have a common heritage of political
traditions, ideals, freedom and the rule of law, to take the first
steps for the collective enforcement of certain of the rights stated[/quote]

Early doors and that's bollocks! The only thing we have in common is war.

[Worthy4England]

So you don't agree with:

1) The right to life
2) The right not to be tortured
3) The right not to be in slavery etc.

I know what it says...

I'm thinking the right to have free speech can go, given some of the drivel you come out with.

[Hoboh]

So you don't agree with:

1) The right to life
2) The right not to be tortured
3) The right not to be in slavery etc.

I know what it says...

I'm thinking the right to have free speech can go, given some of the drivel you come out with.

Clearly you don't What is our historic ties to France, Germany, Spain IN TERMS OF HISTORY OF POLITICS ETC. None!

[Beefheart]

Have you even read the ECHR?

[Worthy4England]

So you don't agree with:

1) The right to life
2) The right not to be tortured
3) The right not to be in slavery etc.

I know what it says...

I'm thinking the right to have free speech can go, given some of the drivel you come out with.

Clearly you don't What is our historic ties to France, Germany, Spain IN TERMS OF HISTORY OF POLITICS ETC. None!

It doesn't say we're tied to France, Germany or anyone else IN TERMS OF HISTORY POLITICS ETC...

It says we're aligned to the principles of Human Rights which include the three I've put above.

Are you saying we shouldn't be? Which ones are you against?

[Worthy4England]

Have you even read the ECHR?

Clearly he has not.

Maybe he should run it past his cat - which apparently displays a wider grasp of these things...

[Prufrock]

Part of the problem is that while Pakistan voted to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, as a country it has never signed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Therefore it is not bound by any of the terms. It has failed to sign a number of other UN Human Rights instruments, but then the same is true of the USA.

Which begs the question, why did some liberal leaning dickhead in the UK design and sign us up to this crap? Our judges and our laws have been good enough for centuries. We do not need this wishy washy crap that the bad guys simply ignore and makes criminals look like feckin' victims.

Well, the drafting committee of the ECHR was lead by Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe, Tory politician, supporter of the death penalty, opponent of homosexuality reform and Home Secretary to Winston Churchill, so I don't know which liberal leaning dickhead you mean?

[Worthy4England]

Part of the problem is that while Pakistan voted to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, as a country it has never signed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Therefore it is not bound by any of the terms. It has failed to sign a number of other UN Human Rights instruments, but then the same is true of the USA.

Which begs the question, why did some liberal leaning dickhead in the UK design and sign us up to this crap? Our judges and our laws have been good enough for centuries. We do not need this wishy washy crap that the bad guys simply ignore and makes criminals look like feckin' victims.

Well, the drafting committee of the ECHR was lead by Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe, Tory politician, supporter of the death penalty, opponent of homosexuality reform and Home Secretary to Winston Churchill, so I don't know which liberal leaning dickhead you mean?

Tsk. That one obviously.

[Harry Genshaw]

Have you even read the ECHR?

Clearly he has not.

Maybe he should run it past his cat - which apparently displays a wider grasp of these things...

Well you've done it now Worthy. Mention of the ECHR and cats will have Theresa May in a fury again!

[thebish]

I see Theresa May is on about "British Values" again...

has anyone got a handy list of what these values actually are and what makes them in any meaningful sense "British"?

[Beefheart]

I see Theresa May is on about "British Values" again...

has anyone got a handy list of what these values actually are and what makes them in any meaningful sense "British"?

Yeah, they're all listed in the ECHR.

[Lord Kangana]

We haven't got any historical ties to France and Germany??

Has anyone told history this? Its going to be hugely disappointed being wrong all these years.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

So you don't agree with:

1) The right to life
2) The right not to be tortured
3) The right not to be in slavery etc.

I know what it says...

I'm thinking the right to have free speech can go, given some of the drivel you come out with.

Seeing as you mention those three - which of those isn't covered under a separate provision of domestic law?

[Hoboh]

We haven't got any historical ties to France and Germany??

Has anyone told history this? Its going to be hugely disappointed being wrong all these years.

Well in a way we have historical ties, it's called war which has happend with both more than once.

[William the White]

Shocking. Admirable.

Jews Against Genocide (who campaign under the slogan: Never Again: For Anyone!

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[thebish]

Dave tells it like it is, yo!