The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

"Korbinov's bunch under blair in Iraq"??

comparing the butchery of Assad to cameron sticking his cock in a dead pig whilst at some toff-club is just mindlessly crass.. (in my humble opinion! )

I'm not saying what is going on is right but essentially Assad is fighting a war, a war caused by some anti-government forces that were egged on by certain powers agitating behind the scenes for his removal.
The US didn't get involved for the good of the Syrian citizen, nor for their freedom from oppression, but to null Russian presence in the theatre.
Essentially Assad and his supporters are fighting for their lives, after seeing what happened to Gaddafi and his supporters would you not fight using every tool available? Even with 'no boots on the ground', the West are guilty of complicity in events in Syria, the no talk, no negotiate with Putin until recently has worked hasn't it? Only now that Putin is sending in more weapons and support to Assad have they decided to review the position.
One good thing may come of Russian involvement, they will not mess about with elements of ISIS and the so called de-facto capital of the caliphate won't last too long.
One thing puzzles me though, since when have wars been fought with rules and to guidelines, war has always been messy and many people die when they kick off, both civilians and combatants, it seems a modern new fangled thing that war can be clean and sanitised.
If we could all get on, all would be fine, but humans are humans but it ain't going to happen anytime soon.

[thebish]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

No matter the crassometer, and I do concur the needle swung quite a way, your statement warrants a correction: "a pig that had (incidentally) been made up..."

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Alexios Salmondo does for Catalonia what Sweaty Sturgeon's boss failed to do for Jockland. End of EU upcoming...

[Harry Genshaw]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

No matter the crassometer, and I do concur the needle swung quite a way, your statement warrants a correction: "a pig that had (incidentally) been made up..."

Can you clarify Spotty?

Are you saying the story was made up, the pig was made up, or the pig was wearing make up?

[Bruce Rioja]

To answer a question BWFC_Insane asked a week or so ago - and I couldn't properly answer...

there is a young rising left-wing "star" being talked about in Labour circles...

Clive Lewis - MP for Norwich South - gained his seat from LibDems this time around - outspoken anti-austerity record, opposed to nukes.. describes himself as a "proud socialist" and is a member of three trade unions (Unite, GMB and the National Union of Journalists). In his victory speech, he declared New Labour to be "dead and buried" and promised to stand up for Norwich’s most vulnerable against an "onslaught of cuts" by the Conservative Party.

according to Wiki..

Before being elected to the House of Commons he was a BBC News TV reporter for more than a decade starting out as a BBC News trainee, eventually becoming the BBC Look East’s chief political reporter. He was also an army reservist infantry officer, serving a tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2009. He is an associate governor of Thorpe St Andrew School and was one of the previous Labour Government's National Black Role Models, working with young people across Britain.

he ticks quite a few boxes...

Absolute wanker!

[BWFC_Insane]

To answer a question BWFC_Insane asked a week or so ago - and I couldn't properly answer...

there is a young rising left-wing "star" being talked about in Labour circles...

Clive Lewis - MP for Norwich South - gained his seat from LibDems this time around - outspoken anti-austerity record, opposed to nukes.. describes himself as a "proud socialist" and is a member of three trade unions (Unite, GMB and the National Union of Journalists). In his victory speech, he declared New Labour to be "dead and buried" and promised to stand up for Norwich’s most vulnerable against an "onslaught of cuts" by the Conservative Party.

according to Wiki..

Before being elected to the House of Commons he was a BBC News TV reporter for more than a decade starting out as a BBC News trainee, eventually becoming the BBC Look East’s chief political reporter. He was also an army reservist infantry officer, serving a tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2009. He is an associate governor of Thorpe St Andrew School and was one of the previous Labour Government's National Black Role Models, working with young people across Britain.

he ticks quite a few boxes...

Definitely ticks boxes. But he looks more like a nasty righty. Actually perhaps that's another box ticked.

[William the White]

To answer a question BWFC_Insane asked a week or so ago - and I couldn't properly answer...

there is a young rising left-wing "star" being talked about in Labour circles...

Clive Lewis - MP for Norwich South - gained his seat from LibDems this time around - outspoken anti-austerity record, opposed to nukes.. describes himself as a "proud socialist" and is a member of three trade unions (Unite, GMB and the National Union of Journalists). In his victory speech, he declared New Labour to be "dead and buried" and promised to stand up for Norwich’s most vulnerable against an "onslaught of cuts" by the Conservative Party.

according to Wiki..

Before being elected to the House of Commons he was a BBC News TV reporter for more than a decade starting out as a BBC News trainee, eventually becoming the BBC Look East’s chief political reporter. He was also an army reservist infantry officer, serving a tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2009. He is an associate governor of Thorpe St Andrew School and was one of the previous Labour Government's National Black Role Models, working with young people across Britain.

he ticks quite a few boxes...

Absolute wanker!

an endorsement that makes me think he is, at least, promising.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

No matter the crassometer, and I do concur the needle swung quite a way, your statement warrants a correction: "a pig that had (incidentally) been made up..."

Can you clarify Spotty?

Are you saying the story was made up, the pig was made up, or the pig was wearing make up?

Correct, correct, and probably...

[Il Pirate]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

No matter the crassometer, and I do concur the needle swung quite a way, your statement warrants a correction: "a pig that had (incidentally) been made up..."

Can you clarify Spotty?

Are you saying the story was made up, the pig was made up, or the pig was wearing make up?

Correct, correct, and probably...

Yet the co author of the book maintains there are 'several', not one, but 'several' sources who witnessed the incident. The prime minister is 'too busy' to launch any legal action, which I find strange if he has been so wronged. As he and his group from the 'Bullingdon boys' have been instrumental in removing the infamous photo of themselves dressed in black tie and tails (you know the one), from circulation. (Removed by copyright owner).
And if it is true and can be proved he stuck his dick in a dead pigs mouth, should he not be charged with bestial necrophilia? Just asking like...........

[BWFC_Insane]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

No matter the crassometer, and I do concur the needle swung quite a way, your statement warrants a correction: "a pig that had (incidentally) been made up..."

Can you clarify Spotty?

Are you saying the story was made up, the pig was made up, or the pig was wearing make up?

Correct, correct, and probably...

Why are you so sure there is not truth in the story?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

First of all, Il Pirate, I don't think bestial necrophilia is a crime. 'Tis true that necrophilia is a crime, but is defined as being done to human cadavers, and bestiality is a crime but only when committed on live animals.
Secondly, Insano, the Times ran a couple of articles which rang truer than the more lurid stories running elsewhere, the gist of which were a) the author was done up like a kipper (for his apparent disloyalty to many toff causes); b) nobody can produce said photo, not available, not even for cash inducements, and finally; c) the dining club (name of which I cannae remember) is informal and does not do initiation rites according to former Times writer members, both ex- mps and otherwise. Not knowing the truth of the matter all things considered, until actual evidence is produce, I'm taking an empirical stance on the belief of Dave the Chump not actually fxcking a pig. I'd like it to be true, I just don't believe it.

[thebish]

so, in short - maybe it happened - maybe it didn't...

[Prufrock]

Well, I for one am not discounting how much I want it to have happened as very strong evidence that it did.

On the negative side, it was broken by Isabel Oaksshott who seems to have learnt her journalistic morals from Johann Hari and who I'd trust as far as I could throw her.

On the positive side, there's no way that's the denial of someone who didn't do it! "I don't recognise the allegation"?! Yeah - bollocks.

So, to conclude: The PM skull-f*cked Piglett. Th-th-th-that's all folk's!

[bobo the clown]

He's been very lucky that it broke while there's plenty of "other stuff" happening and so what is a properly embarrassing story about under-graduate misbehaviour will go little further.

At a different time & stage politically it could have been curtains. Odd thing, politics.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

so, in short - maybe it happened - maybe it didn't...

Not at all: It probably didn't. Empirically it certainly didn't. It's quite similar to a couple of other stories, one involving Lazarus and the other involving loaves and fishes
.. just coz somebody said it happened don't necessarily means it happened, in all probability it didn't.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

He's been very lucky that it broke while there's plenty of "other stuff" happening and so what is a properly embarrassing story about under-graduate misbehaviour will go little further.

At a different time & stage politically it could have been curtains. Odd thing, politics.

To be fair to the bloke (and I'm usually not) he was meeting the Danish PM on the evening that the story broke, and he (Hameron) was cracking bacon and ham jokes to the watching media, which suggests a very ballsy performance for someone who shoved his cock in Peppa's gob, or that he's dismissing it as the bollocks it probably is.

[thebish]

so, in short - maybe it happened - maybe it didn't...

Not at all: It probably didn't. Empirically it certainly didn't. It's quite similar to a couple of other stories, one involving Lazarus and the other involving loaves and fishes
.. just coz somebody said it happened don't necessarily means it happened, in all probability it didn't.

hmmm... you SAY it certainly didn't

you also - strangely - state that EMPIRICALLY it certainly didn't happen - meaning that the fact that it didn't happen is somehow observable or subject to confirmation by replicatable experiment...

but then add qualifiers like "don't necessarily" and "in all probability" - which would not be necessary if there was the lack of doubt that "certainly" and "empirically" indicate.

so - I'm sticking with "maybe it did, maybe it didn't." I take it none of us was at school with big Dave to know much better - though you have made interesting claims about your life before - so if you were - it'd be a good time to tell us!

also - I did not suggest that "just coz somebody said it happened" means that it necessarily happened - I merely summed up the situation as "maybe it did, and maybe it didn't happen." one person's word against another - and I have no real grounds to pick one account or the other... i could believe either.

a bitter man who feels slighted would say summat like that, wouldn't he
but then - a man in such a prominent posisition would deny it, wouldn't he

even if the photo emerged - you cannot prove the bloke in the photo was cameron...

to sum up..

maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.

[Il Pirate]

'Just keep ignoring it Dave, and it will probably just go away or get forgotten'. Just like the immigration crisis, the austerity measures, the public service crises, the NHS debacle, letting the bankers off ever so very lightly, etc, etc, etc. Lower than vermin, the f4ckin' lot of 'em.

[Bijou Bob]

I never thought I'd say this, but I quite like the cut of Corbyn's jib.

Now, if as a middle class, somewhere to the right of centre ex Tory voter, I'M saying that.......