Headmaster's killer to get new identity

[bobby5]

Quite unbelievable.

Under the plans, Learco Chindamo, 26, and his close family will be given new names and moved to an address away from London, where he grew up and where his mother, stepfather and brothers still live.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... rco126.xml

[communistworkethic]

why?

clearly he has little chance of anything like a normal life or the opportunity to try and have a normal life having served his time. Irrespective of the crime, we live in a society that says once your time is done you have the right to try again, and we as human beings should be supportive of that, rather than the lynch-mob mentality bent on revenge irrespective of its morality, rationality or legality that the Daily Fascist and Daily Nazi-sympathiser would have people follow.

If there is an issue to be had with the scenario then it could/should be laid at the sentencing in the first instance, not the fact that in a supposedly educated society those who have wronged and been punished are given a chance to put something back in to society by living a useful life.

Or would you sooner people like him are returned back to whence they came. Beaten up and/or killed by a baying mob or forced in a life of crime having been ostracised by the community, in and out of prison, costing society even more and illustrating its failures?

If you want to blame someone/thing for this, then look towards the media who have whipped up the storm around him not being sent back to Italy and have printed his photo a thousand times alongside partisan vitriol. They've made it impossible for him to otherwise go about his life, no doubt they'll try and hunt him down again, mean another new identity and move at our expense and for no other purpose than their circulation.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Odd. I can't argue with any of that, commie. Spot on!

[bobo the clown]

Or would you sooner people like him are returned back to whence they came. Beaten up and/or killed by a baying mob or forced in a life of crime having been ostracised by the community, in and out of prison, costing society even more and illustrating its failures. ?

yep !!

[wovlad]

[quote="bobo the clown"][quote]Or would you sooner people like him are returned back to whence they came.

In this case yes, its called Italy were he was born.

[communistworkethic]

Or would you sooner people like him are returned back to whence they came.

In this case yes, its called Italy were he was born.

and do we need to go through the nonsense that is this statement again?

He's a product of this country, not Italy, there's no legal grounds for extradition, should I continue?

[Lennon]

Haven't you heard Commie? Rational thinkers are worse than paedophiles these days. I recommend you make yourself a placard expressing your 'outrage', then try to mingle with the rest of the angry mob before they turn on YOU.

[a1]

Haven't you heard Commie? Rational thinkers are worse than paedophiles these days. I recommend you make yourself a placard expressing your 'outrage', then try to mingle with the rest of the angry mob before they turn on YOU.

maybe theyre 'angry' just because really theyre frightened of being stabbed by people they dont know ?..

theres crackerjacks on both sides , just look how many peeps want george bush 2 murderated / mcdonalds banned / stalin back etc .. "rational thinkers" are rarely that , they just think they are ..

[Lennon]

maybe theyre 'angry' just because really theyre frightened of being stabbed by people they dont know ?..

theres crackerjacks on both sides , just look how many peeps want george bush 2 murderated / mcdonalds banned / stalin back etc .. "rational thinkers" are rarely that , they just think they are ..

What on Earth are you talking about?

Being in constant fear of being stabbed by people you don't know for no particular reason is called paranoia. And what has any of this got to do with George Bush, McDonalds and Stalin?

[communistworkethic]

since when has anything A1 said made sense.

[a1]

the thing you sed about angry mob types going everywhere with "outrage" placards is no different than say hippies doing the same over their campains .. to me its the same - both fecked and probably a waste of time .. i know its about different things - its just weird people do the same thing - campain with placards and shit and one side thinks the other isnt rational somewhere..

he's out now , unless they put him back on a wierd law technical thing , theres nowt nobody can do .. you could tell he'd have to change his name and be guarded and that , its happened before , they didnt change prison sentences though either when it happened last time... so not only are the angry mob still being "stupid" about it , these law types are still handing out stupid 5 minute long prison sentences ..

its fecked ..

[Montreal Wanderer]

the thing you sed about angry mob types going everywhere with "outrage" placards is no different than say hippies doing the same over their campains .. to me its the same - both fecked and probably a waste of time .. i know its about different things - its just weird people do the same thing - campain with placards and shit and one side thinks the other isnt rational somewhere..

I am not sure what you mean by hippies and their 'campains' - if you refer to the 1960s, there was a point to it all - it was a relatively peaceful rebellion against the state in the time of segregated schools, McArthyis, the draft and the Vietnam war. It is hard to imagine that era from the safe vantage point of the 21st century. Believe it or not America did become a more liberal place as a result. Granted hippies also smoked dope, made free love and didn't wash too much but they didn't harm many people other than themselves. This is a far cry from a vigilante mob baying for the blood of a single paroled prisoner. Any campaign against sentencing laws should not spring from an isolated case but be sustained and, yes, rational.

[Lennon]

the thing you sed about angry mob types going everywhere with "outrage" placards is no different than say hippies doing the same over their campains .. to me its the same - both fecked and probably a waste of time .. i know its about different things - its just weird people do the same thing - campain with placards and shit and one side thinks the other isnt rational somewhere..

he's out now , unless they put him back on a wierd law technical thing , theres nowt nobody can do .. you could tell he'd have to change his name and be guarded and that , its happened before , they didnt change prison sentences though either when it happened last time... so not only are the angry mob still being "stupid" about it , these law types are still handing out stupid 5 minute long prison sentences ..

its fecked ..

You've completely lost me. Forget it.

[a1]

I am not sure what you mean by hippies and their 'campains' - if you refer to the 1960s, there was a point to it all - it was a relatively peaceful rebellion against the state in the time of segregated schools, McArthyis, the draft and the Vietnam war. It is hard to imagine that era from the safe vantage point of the 21st century. Believe it or not America did become a more liberal place as a result. Granted hippies also smoked dope, made free love and didn't wash too much but they didn't harm many people other than themselves. This is a far cry from a vigilante mob baying for the blood of a single paroled prisoner. Any campaign against sentencing laws should not spring from an isolated case but be sustained and, yes, rational.

shit , i knew i'd spelt campain wrong ..

no i'm not refering to the 60s , i'm just saying people going "stupid middle class nimby reactionarys" but when you change the situation to say george bush , mcdonalds , or whatever,.. the same thing happens just "hippies" go apeshit over something instead and turn into "hippie reactionaries" or whatever.. all you have to do is change something around slightly and the next thing you know "you"/"i"/"him"/"we" are being the stupid bastard about something .. being clever about it wont make them change their minds.. if owt they'll go worse.

[TANGODANCER]

Can't see much wrong with A1's logic. It might not be the most articulately expressed view but all he's saying (as I see it) is that the whole thing is going round in circles without any particular lessons being learned, ie, these things keep happening and one side comes up with outrage,, principally based on the inadequacies of the law to make the punishment meet the crime, whilst the other upholds the law's principals, yet blames it for its own poor judgement in too-light sentencing.

Please note, I make no comment on the stated situation, my views are my own on that, just state how I see what A1 is saying. I may be wrong so I'll state it's just my opinion. I learned a long time ago not to listen to people's "accents" or methods of speech, but to listen to what they're actually saying.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

these things keep happening and one side comes up with outrage,, principally based on the inadequacies of the law to make the punishment meet the crime, whilst the other upholds the law's principals, yet blames it for its own poor judgement in too-light sentencing.

It might well just be a lawyer's distinction, but as Monty has already helpfully pointed out, perhaps in the other thread on this case, sentence length is much more a political question than it is a legal one.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Thanks, PB. I wonder how our penalties compare with the UK. Over here dangerous driving where injury occurs the maximum sentence sentence is ten years (life imprisonment if fleeing from the police at the time). Leaving the scene of an accident is five years, ten if it is known someone is injured and life if it is known that someone was killed. Frankly I doubt that someone convicted of both offences would be out in three years. Over here the offender would likely get ten years, assuming concurrent sentences, and only be eligible for parole after half the sentence is served. If the driver was impaired, the maximum sentence would be life with eligibility for parole after ten years - flight might be an indicator of probable impairment. These are all maximum sentences if the offender is indicted and, depending on circumstances, the sentences could be less. I don't know what the mitigating factors could be in the case in question.

[wovlad]

Or would you sooner people like him are returned back to whence they came.

In this case yes, its called Italy were he was born.

and do we need to go through the nonsense that is this statement again?

He's a product of this country, not Italy, there's no legal grounds for extradition, should I continue?

Home office believes there is hence they are appealling the decision made by the Asylum &
Immigration Tribunal

[communistworkethic]

they can appeal all they want, doesn't mean they have a chance or that it's right. They're pandering to the press, nothing more.

[boltonboris]

they can appeal all they want, doesn't mean they have a chance or that it's right. They're pandering to the press, nothing more.

Aye and the press are pandering to the narrow minded masses hell bent on revenge who read their dross on a daily basis