The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

If they go for him with this standards report looming I'm going to start to think it's match-fixing.

I'm a somewhat confused at which point, you figured the match might be rigged? /passive aggressive....you're about to start thinking that way? The match has always been rigged, they just play us off round the margin

As in they've all got money on Labour to win the next election. Though you've got to make sure you get the wording right, "Starmer next PM" is no good.

[Burnden Paddock]

I thought I couldn't be any more worried about our country's future but then watching some of the news coverage last night and this morning, proved me wrong.

The number of seemingly rational people who said "Bring back Boris" was quite distressing.
"I know he's a proven liar, cheat, bumbling, workshy, corrupt, incompetent laughing stock but he got Brexit done and he's a character "

Fook me. We've had it.

I’ve got a mate that thinks this from across the pond! Guess which one!

He who voted for the orange chap perchance?

[Worthy4England]

Is that the first time he's ever pulled out?

[BWFC_Insane]

Is that the first time he's ever pulled out?

Not the first time he’s made his supporters look like utter mugs is it? Keep coming back for more. Absolute morons.

Sunak and at least we can return to normal and get through Christmas without more economic drama.

Really does need a GE though. But not getting one with Rishi.

[Hoboh]

The end game for democracy is coming.

[Harry Genshaw]

Lots of reverse ferreting going on

[BWFC_Insane]

The end game for democracy is coming.

Not sure what’s triggered this? Johnson pulling out cos he can’t get enough support from MPs? Johnson isn’t the democratic ticket.

The only democratic ticket is a GE but we aren’t getting that (though we should and should keep asking) but let’s just be relieved that the Tories haven’t picked a complete idiot this time round (assuming Rishi wins which he will).

[Bruce Rioja]

The only democratic ticket is a GE but we aren’t getting that

Here's a question, albeit hypothetical - if Sunak gets in (and I hope to feck he does) if a GE was called, who do you think would win?

See, I don't think it'd be the Labour walkover which it would've been a week ago.

[Worthy4England]

The only democratic ticket is a GE but we aren’t getting that

Here's a question, albeit hypothetical - if Sunak gets in (and I hope to feck he does) if a GE was called, who do you think would win?

See, I don't think it'd be the Labour walkover which it would've been a week ago.

I'm there too, Brucie. I think Labour would probably win, but maybe a coalition...

[Worthy4England]

The end game for democracy is coming.

You're starting to sound like Lauren Bobert, who pronounced last week, that the "second coming" was just around the corner.

Unless people move their individual thinking to "we might get some of what we want but not all," then yeah, there are problems ahead. Is the problem democracy or capitalism?

[Prufrock]

Sunak will get a bump because he's not currently on fire, but there will be enough reminders over the next few years that he is also fecking useless, just less so.

A man who's political instincts weren't sufficiently fine tuned to clock that your wife claiming non-dom status *while you're the chancellor* might come back to bite you. Who went all Great Barrington on COVID.

His popularity, such as it is is based on doing things he didn't want to do, and being less of a bin fire then Boris Johnson and a Liz Truss. I'm not sure that's enough.

[BWFC_Insane]

The only democratic ticket is a GE but we aren’t getting that

Here's a question, albeit hypothetical - if Sunak gets in (and I hope to feck he does) if a GE was called, who do you think would win?

See, I don't think it'd be the Labour walkover which it would've been a week ago.

I agree entirely. At least though we’d have two sets of defined policies to choose from and whatever happens would be a choice. Rather than Sunak chosen (rightly imo) without having to offer a single policy by Tory MPs.

I suspect the Tories have a very good chance at winning the next GE now. But I still think in the circumstances it’s right to go to the electorate now. They won’t. And at least we’ve avoided the disaster of a Johnson return.

I like Sunak as you know. I am concerned about some of his politics though. We have an economic black hole of the Tories making and we cannot and must not return to austerity to fix it. We know austerity failed this country and was one of the major things that led us down the Brexit road and we also have the horrific number of excess deaths that cutting of public services and benefits caused. Not to mention the horror stories from DWP that are sickening. More balance is required and that means imo things like the windfall taxes and raising corporation tax for the largest businesses to try and address the hole. Not just hammering public services and the poor that already can’t afford it.

[Bruce Rioja]

The only democratic ticket is a GE but we aren’t getting that

Here's a question, albeit hypothetical - if Sunak gets in (and I hope to feck he does) if a GE was called, who do you think would win?

See, I don't think it'd be the Labour walkover which it would've been a week ago.

I agree entirely. At least though we’d have two sets of defined policies to choose from and whatever happens would be a choice. Rather than Sunak chosen (rightly imo) without having to offer a single policy by Tory MPs.

I suspect the Tories have a very good chance at winning the next GE now. But I still think in the circumstances it’s right to go to the electorate now. They won’t. And at least we’ve avoided the disaster of a Johnson return.

Interesting how many on the right are now saying that a GE would at least 'morally' be the right thing to do, including Zac Goldsmith (I prefer to ignore Nadine Dorries always).
Let us not forget how many 'red wall' votes will return to Labour.
Like you, I'm just pleased we've avoided a Johnson return. Reading some of the arrogant prick's remarks over lunch were genuinely staggering.

[Bruce Rioja]

Mordaunt's pulled out. Sunak it is!

[Worthy4England]

Mordaunt's pulled out. Sunak it is!

Tough gig, whichever way you look at it.

[Worthy4England]

The only democratic ticket is a GE but we aren’t getting that

Here's a question, albeit hypothetical - if Sunak gets in (and I hope to feck he does) if a GE was called, who do you think would win?

See, I don't think it'd be the Labour walkover which it would've been a week ago.

I agree entirely. At least though we’d have two sets of defined policies to choose from and whatever happens would be a choice. Rather than Sunak chosen (rightly imo) without having to offer a single policy by Tory MPs.

I suspect the Tories have a very good chance at winning the next GE now. But I still think in the circumstances it’s right to go to the electorate now. They won’t. And at least we’ve avoided the disaster of a Johnson return.

I like Sunak as you know. I am concerned about some of his politics though. We have an economic black hole of the Tories making and we cannot and must not return to austerity to fix it. We know austerity failed this country and was one of the major things that led us down the Brexit road and we also have the horrific number of excess deaths that cutting of public services and benefits caused. Not to mention the horror stories from DWP that are sickening. More balance is required and that means imo things like the windfall taxes and raising corporation tax for the largest businesses to try and address the hole. Not just hammering public services and the poor that already can’t afford it.

I hear you mate - but if Labour can't win the next GE, whenever it is, they need to pack it in...

[Worthy4England]

Farage is already ramping up "how we need proportional representation"....

[Bruce Rioja]

Mordaunt's pulled out. Sunak it is!

Tough gig, whichever way you look at it.

Absolutely. Though I envisage policies which will be the polar opposite of Truss/Kwarteng's.

Have we made any headway into the Covid bill yet?

[Harry Genshaw]

I've no real faith, he's still a bloody Tory after all but short of a general election, I think he's the best the country could hope for right now. First poc PM too which, I think reflects well on the UK.

[Worthy4England]

Mordaunt's pulled out. Sunak it is!

Tough gig, whichever way you look at it.

Absolutely. Though I envisage policies which will be the polar opposite of Truss/Kwarteng's.

Have we made any headway into the Covid bill yet?

I'm not sure we've paid off the 2008 financial crash yet!