The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

Bloody Tories!!
Not only will I have substantial roadwork's to deal with on Monday on my way to the Manchester Royal but diversions and disruptions caused by the slap on the back brigade holding their annual shin dig!
Cameron out!

If a conference in G-Mex buggers up your route to Upper Brook Street then it's high time you stopped fecking whinging for a while and nipped out for a map!

[Hoboh]

Bloody Tories!!
Not only will I have substantial roadwork's to deal with on Monday on my way to the Manchester Royal but diversions and disruptions caused by the slap on the back brigade holding their annual shin dig!
Cameron out!

If a conference in G-Mex buggers up your route to Upper Brook Street then it's high time you stopped fecking whinging for a while and nipped out for a map!

After the Sat Nav decided to divert me through Exeter and Taunton early on Friday morning due to a closed junction on the M5, I just might.

[Lord Kangana]

The 'no-borders' and 'anti-capitalist' anarchists barely warrant comparison with Shindler.

Give your head a shake.

Some clarity on this please. Why not? What are the parameters you're setting?

[Hoboh]

The 'no-borders' and 'anti-capitalist' anarchists barely warrant comparison with Shindler.

Give your head a shake.

Some clarity on this please. Why not? What are the parameters you're setting?

I'd guess he means Schindler didn't clad himself in black and throw smoke bombs into shops or bricks at the police!

[bobo the clown]

The 'no-borders' and 'anti-capitalist' anarchists barely warrant comparison with Shindler.

Give your head a shake.

Some clarity on this please. Why not? What are the parameters you're setting?

If you need telling then there's no point. Anyone asking that or thinking that is just in it for the argument.

Maybe a bit too c*ntish. Y'know.

[Lord Kangana]

I'm pretty sure, even after the war, Oskar Schindler received dog's abuse from German's for being a Jew lover. You know, a bit of a social pariah. I often wonder whether he thought he had made a mistake in hindsight.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

yes, Hobes...

but - still - whatever you might choose to argue NOW - your post (the one I was responding to) comparing Assad's atrocities killing tens of thousands of people to Cameron shagging a pig that had (incidentally) been killed was utterly crass...

No matter the crassometer, and I do concur the needle swung quite a way, your statement warrants a correction: "a pig that had (incidentally) been made up..."

Can you clarify Spotty?

Are you saying the story was made up, the pig was made up, or the pig was wearing make up?

Correct, correct, and probably...

Why are you so sure there is not truth in the story?

Even more sure now...speaking at the Cheltenham Literary Festival, Oakeshitt (co-author) admitted the standard of proof they imposed was poor, that the story was unsubstantiated, and that it just illustrated the sort of circles Cameron moved in in his student days and wasn't reportage of what he actually did.
She added, helpfully " There is no need for burden of proof on a colourful anecdote where we are quite upfront about how it came to us" and "Yes, the source may have made it up" and " it was only one source, but many MPs have been trading the story for years, mainly as a joke, I'm not sure any of them really believed it..."

[Montreal Wanderer]

There is a federal election in Canada a week on Monday, with truly unpleasant chpices. We have the Conservatives who have a balanced budget, promote tax free savings accounts, income and pension splitting for married and retired people, and free trade including the new Pacific agreement. The downside is they are somewhat hoboh-like on social issues (the current row is they want to ban wearing the hijab in certain circumstances). Then we have the Liberals who want to increase spending to create jobs funded by cancelling tax breaks enjoyed by the well off (which, alas, I am considered). Finally the socialists (NDP) who also wish to cut back on my tax breaks, increase welfare (for people who never worked as hard as I did)but cut increases in government spending. For me the choice is between my conscience (which wants a more just Canada) and my bank balance. Well, not much of a choice really. The parties are all so close it will likely be a minority government. Also rans appear to be the green party, who may get a seat or two, and the Bloq Quebecois, separatists whose day has gone (at least for now).

[William the White]

There is a federal election in Canada a week on Monday, with truly unpleasant chpices. We have the Conservatives who have a balanced budget, promote tax free savings accounts, income and pension splitting for married and retired people, and free trade including the new Pacific agreement. The downside is they are somewhat hoboh-like on social issues (the current row is they want to ban wearing the hijab in certain circumstances). Then we have the Liberals who want to increase spending to create jobs funded by cancelling tax breaks enjoyed by the well off (which, alas, I am considered). Finally the socialists (NDP) who also wish to cut back on my tax breaks, increase welfare (for people who never worked as hard as I did)but cut increases in government spending. For me the choice is between my conscience (which wants a more just Canada) and my bank balance. Well, not much of a choice really. The parties are all so close it will likely be a minority government. Also rans appear to be the green party, who may get a seat or two, and the Bloq Quebecois, separatists whose day has gone (at least for now).

Is it FPTP or PR?

[William the White]

Even more sure now...speaking at the Cheltenham Literary Festival, Oakeshitt (co-author) admitted the standard of proof they imposed was poor, that the story was unsubstantiated, and that it just illustrated the sort of circles Cameron moved in in his student days and wasn't reportage of what he actually did.
She added, helpfully " There is no need for burden of proof on a colourful anecdote where we are quite upfront about how it came to us" and "Yes, the source may have made it up" and " it was only one source, but many MPs have been trading the story for years, mainly as a joke, I'm not sure any of them really believed it..."

Well, I believe he did it. And enjoyed it.

[thebish]

..but didn't inhale..

[malcd1]

..but didn't inhale..

As it was only a blow job, I'm sure he will say "he didn't have sexual relations with that pig".

[Montreal Wanderer]

There is a federal election in Canada a week on Monday, with truly unpleasant chpices. We have the Conservatives who have a balanced budget, promote tax free savings accounts, income and pension splitting for married and retired people, and free trade including the new Pacific agreement. The downside is they are somewhat hoboh-like on social issues (the current row is they want to ban wearing the hijab in certain circumstances). Then we have the Liberals who want to increase spending to create jobs funded by cancelling tax breaks enjoyed by the well off (which, alas, I am considered). Finally the socialists (NDP) who also wish to cut back on my tax breaks, increase welfare (for people who never worked as hard as I did)but cut increases in government spending. For me the choice is between my conscience (which wants a more just Canada) and my bank balance. Well, not much of a choice really. The parties are all so close it will likely be a minority government. Also rans appear to be the green party, who may get a seat or two, and the Bloq Quebecois, separatists whose day has gone (at least for now).

Is it FPTP or PR?

Parliamentary ridings each electing a single FTPT MP. While there has been discussion of PR or partial PR nothing has come of it. So parties can win a majority of seats with 40% of the national vote and get none with 15%. Nationally it is a virtual tie between the top three parties according to the latest polls. However socialist strength is centred in my province (Quebec) and they will not do well nationwide (sorry, WtW, but the last election and this is the best they have ever done).

[Hoboh]

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Politics may just about to become interesting

[thebish]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arted.html

Politics may just about to become interesting

i very much doubt it...

[Worthy4England]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arted.html

Politics may just about to become interesting

i very much doubt it...

I was thinking that, too. Note from Co-Lin almost hearsay.

On the other hand Tory voter on question time in tears about tax credits. Sometimes you just gotta say "well you voted for them". I'd like to feel sympathetic, but not surprised...

[bobo the clown]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arted.html

Politics may just about to become interesting

i very much doubt it...

I was thinking that, too. Note from Co-Lin almost hearsay.

On the other hand Tory voter on question time in tears about tax credits. Sometimes you just gotta say "well you voted for them". I'd like to feel sympathetic, but not surprised...

Who .... when it's analysed ... isn't going to be worse off, it seems.

Panic or wound-up ?

[Enoch]

Who .... when it's analysed ... isn't going to be worse off, it seems.

Panic or wound-up ?

However, the Institute for Fiscal Studies suggested that because Ms Dorrell does not make a profit she is unlikely to be hit by changes to the income threshold for working tax credits, which is being almost halved to £3,850 a year.

She will also not be affected by the changes to child tax credits, which will only be restricted to the first two children for new parents from April 2017.

As an aside, making lots of noise and spouting bollocks from an ill informed position isn't restricted to people in the Question Time studio. Yet as with so much of the bollocks that's spouted, I imagine the spout will linger in folk's memories much longer than the likely facts.

Emotional folk, eh!

[Worthy4England]

Glad we bought up the IFS - they're well in favour of the changes that Ms Dorrell was talking about...Just the bit about the 4bn improvement in living wages vs the 12bn of cuts...that bit they're struggling with.

There is also the minor point that the HMRC may well now look at the "business" of Ms Dorrell to see if it actually qualifies for being a "business" as it needs to have some prospect of making a profit to qualify...that might be a bit of a dent in the old earnings...

Wonder if we'll ever find out. She did make a very important point though, that the changes were part of a regressive taxation plan.

[Enoch]

Indeed, though I leave the whys and wherefores for others to pick over and make of what they will.

My point was purely regard folk spouting bollocks from ill informed positions and the damage often wrought by such outpourings. In this case, from your point, possibly to the spouter herself.

I doubt we'll ever find out mind.