The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Och Aye Jock... That's a new slant on things....We'll all live in Scotlandshire...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/129 ... _Scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

38,000 eh? No doubt a fair few of them multiple entries along the lines of 'thumbs up' to comments/posts etc.
I doubt the EPL football supporters of a few clubs would appreciate playing in the SPL

Lefties in general are turning out to be really sore losers, almost as bad as the whinging, back biting, perpetually moaning Scots!
If you cannot win an election against a government that lies constantly through its teeth, has real under the surface problems on Europe with a large % of its party and MP's teetering on rebellion without joining up with a Nationalist party full of bigots who actually detest you, you deserve to be in opposition!
I doubt Jesus could get Labour elected in 2020, shame the Lib Dems allowed Mr Smarmy to sell them down the river, they could have done really well this time and next.
Labour is a rudderless boat heading for the rocks and at the rate it's going at will some just be a sole voice for the remaining few people who actually give a shit about the unions and that's not many!

To be fair your previous polling predictions weren't that reliable

I wasn't on my own
There are no great standouts in the race for leader of the labour party, no one who seriously makes you think they could take the party anywhere, the only way Labour could get re-elected would be the demise of the Scottish Nazi party and the Tories seriously peeing folk off.
I don't think either will happen this Parliament and the Scots maybe gone by the next.
Labour could have won it if they had agreed to an EU referendum and they weren't hampered by the unions, the unions who still think they are important political players.

[LeverEnd]

http://m.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/12948 ... d_Cameron/

As if the 38000 haven't given Cameron enough to deal with, their ranks could soon be swelled into a full blown coup d'état when the masses hear this classic protest song. Dylan, Marley, Rage Against The Machine, Public Enemy eat your hearts out. Recorded by Maxine Peake and some men with beards...

Loathsome Dave — The Eccentronic Research Council and Maxine Peake

Loathsome Dave

you have not won the battle

but dug deep the grave..

from your Westminster Death Circus

Smug Yee and Lonesome-

anti humanity, pro Selfish and Dave !

Your voice is not our voice but that of

A limp Witney Croak in the wind,

Spiteful humidity and asthma Dave

you are not like us,

you are not food parcel and share a flat with a stranger Dave,

you are 5 houses and my tax - Oh Witney Crab eyed & Bumble Dave,

High Teas and Snobbish Flea Brain

Ladies panties and flip flops Dave

a face that looks like it's walked in to a hot Iron and ordered a half a lager Dave!

Yee - the blue tied toff dinky winky Dick Turpin dave

the thief dancing on all posterity and hostile to the disabled — rave!

Blast him Out

Anti Intelligence and negligent Dave

You are not Us,

Your Voice is not Ours,

Blast Him Out!

we are the eccentronic research council

and we are not Dave.

[Hoboh]

http://m.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/12948 ... d_Cameron/

As if the 38000 haven't given Cameron enough to deal with, their ranks could soon be swelled into a full blown coup d'état when the masses hear this classic protest song. Dylan, Marley, Rage Against The Machine, Public Enemy eat your hearts out. Recorded by Maxine Peake and some men with beards...

Loathsome Dave — The Eccentronic Research Council and Maxine Peake

Loathsome Dave

you have not won the battle

but dug deep the grave..

from your Westminster Death Circus

Smug Yee and Lonesome-

anti humanity, pro Selfish and Dave !

Your voice is not our voice but that of

A limp Witney Croak in the wind,

Spiteful humidity and asthma Dave

you are not like us,

you are not food parcel and share a flat with a stranger Dave,

you are 5 houses and my tax - Oh Witney Crab eyed & Bumble Dave,

High Teas and Snobbish Flea Brain

Ladies panties and flip flops Dave

a face that looks like it's walked in to a hot Iron and ordered a half a lager Dave!

Yee - the blue tied toff dinky winky Dick Turpin dave

the thief dancing on all posterity and hostile to the disabled — rave!

Blast him Out

Anti Intelligence and negligent Dave

You are not Us,

Your Voice is not Ours,

Blast Him Out!

we are the eccentronic research council

and we are not Dave.

looks like what hoboh would write after a few nips of the hard stuff
Plagiarism!!

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... abour-link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

May still be hope for Labour then!

[Montreal Wanderer]

Och Aye Jock... That's a new slant on things....We'll all live in Scotlandshire...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/129 ... _Scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

on the change.org?

Sounds like someone's having a hot flush! What a crock of shite!

On the bright side, Wanderers might be back in the Premiership (Scottish of course).

[Hoboh]

Leaving the EU is Ukip’s founding principle. But Mr Farage bundled up leaving the EU with a campaign focused on migrant workers from eastern Europe and wider anxieties about the level of immigration to construct a populist anti-establishment movement that at the election probably damaged Labour as much as the Conservatives. Ukip came second in 120 seats on 7 May, perhaps setting it up to break through next time. Of the 20 where Ukip was closest, half were Labour held, a prospect which, after Ed Balls’s defeat, has produced something close to panic in Labour circles.

Why?
UKIP is a party of disaffected Tory voters according to some people

[Dujon]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... abour-link
May still be hope for Labour then!

That's an interesting article, Hoboh. In this neck of the woods it's the Labor (sic) party which seems to be trying to reduce or get rid of the union movement's influence. This appears to be due to the quite small percentage of our work force who are union members - and most of them are in the public sector. In 2007, the latest figures I could find on a quick search, showed an overall membership of 18.9%. The private sector had a union membership of just 13.7%. The unions though still wield a lot of power, particularly in the back rooms of the party, and contribute significant funds to keep it afloat. From general reading over recent years I gather that union membership is still falling. The old 'rusted on' membership is declining as they inevitably leave the work force and the under-45s demographic has almost deserted the unions.

Like your Labour party the Labor party here was based on unionism within the work force. Perhaps the union movement should concentrate on its original job of protecting employee's rights and pull its head in when it comes to trying to run the country. From my limited experience of sixty years of voting franchise that would be a boon for the political arena in this country.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ge-osborne" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So the sick and disabled in the UK can take cuts and die while foreign aid is ring-fenced?
Just how many of your pals in the NGO's and charity rackets are there Gideon?

[Hoboh]

Surprise, surprise, up pops the answer!

http://www.theguardian.com/global-devel ... ships-icai" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

Hoboh - calm down!!! Labour and the SNP didn't win - your buddies are in charge for the next 5 years... chill!

[Hoboh]

Hoboh - calm down!!! Labour and the SNP didn't win - your buddies are in charge for the next 5 years... chill!

I'm ante-EU, I don't hate the European continent nor the old idea of a 'common Market', I do not wish to become further 'politically integrated' into a United States of Europe.

I do think in some things the wishy washy brigade have made it far too easy to find excuse for all sorts of behaviour that is just plain wrong and should be stamped down on, reading the Guardian a lot it appears your average socialist is either well dumbed down or quite happy to advocate violence to any 'Tory scum'.

I believe in the NHS and disabled people receiving help, out of work people getting support but not for 10 fcuking years, proper pay for work and employment rights and the bit most cannot seem to grasp.
Out of the last 7 million EU migrants to settle in the UK it is estimated that at least half are low or no skill workers, we have in reality about 2 million unemployed, to use the oft quoted 'most of the immigrants are working, it means 2 million people are being denied jobs no matter which way you look at it! Add to this that these people need housing, even if they lived 4 to a house by not being here it would solve the house building crisis for the next 4 years or so.

I am not a fcuking Tory If Cameron and his mob where on a boat heading for Africa, I pull the plug, well away from any African rescue boats and take my chances with the sharks!

[thebish]

I never read the guardian - you are the one who reads it a lot!!

[Hoboh]

http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing in here about accepting Europe's job seekers.

Nothing about greater political union.

Nothing about a United States of Europe, period!

We have been fooled once by the Europhiles, lied to on numerous occasions, so desperate are the lefty/Scottish Nazi Party alliance pro campaign, they want 16yr olds to get the vote.
Oh we'll get our day in the sun, the truth? Never in a month of Sundays!
You can already smell the stench of the stich up, If a political dwarf like Wilson could pull it off, even Cameron, the invisible person and Krankie probably will.
Just don't expect the truth.

[Worthy4England]

Guess you missed the bit about "to bring together the peoples of europe", "improve living standards", "help the poorest" etc.

I await any sort of truth about the likely cost of Brexit, (from either side)

Given that the two parties we've had in power since 1975 have both kept us in Europe (so not just your average Lefties), why do you think that might be? Thatcher could hadly be described as left wing. She had 13 years, some of those with a significant majority, yet didn't take us out of Europe? Wonder why...

[Hoboh]

Guess you missed the bit about "to bring together the peoples of europe", "improve living standards", "help the poorest" etc.

I await any sort of truth about the likely cost of Brexit, (from either side)

Given that the two parties we've had in power since 1975 have both kept us in Europe (so not just your average Lefties), why do you think that might be? Thatcher could hadly be described as left wing. She had 13 years, some of those with a significant majority, yet didn't take us out of Europe? Wonder why...

We are still in Europe because no one has given us a referendum or chance to leave.
I'll tell you why and I'd do exactly the same if I was PM, blame! Easy peasy to blame those 'dammed Europeans' for everything that goes wrong, you just watch how the current African boat people debacle becomes the reason for immigration problems, not the movement of cheap labour.
Your a committed full on Europhile, that's your view and I expect the things you post, one thing you fail to grasp is many who are anti EU are not anti trade (which was the basis Wilson pushed last time) it's the political baggage that comes along we object to.
Being part of the original group of European countries wasn't too bad, it's the obsession with expansion and the drive to ever closer political union that's ruined it.
Btw the poorest countries were not the ones that exist now.

[bobo the clown]

She didn't wish to because it was then the EEC. Now it's the EU .... The very thing she fought so hard against .... and was lambasted for ... In those Maasricht negotiations.

Keep it as a huge free-trade zone and few have any issues. The never ending drive to a USE and many, many do.

[Worthy4England]

Guess you missed the bit about "to bring together the peoples of europe", "improve living standards", "help the poorest" etc.

I await any sort of truth about the likely cost of Brexit, (from either side)

Given that the two parties we've had in power since 1975 have both kept us in Europe (so not just your average Lefties), why do you think that might be? Thatcher could hadly be described as left wing. She had 13 years, some of those with a significant majority, yet didn't take us out of Europe? Wonder why...

We are still in Europe because no one has given us a referendum or chance to leave.
I'll tell you why and I'd do exactly the same if I was PM, blame! Easy peasy to blame those 'dammed Europeans' for everything that goes wrong, you just watch how the current African boat people debacle becomes the reason for immigration problems, not the movement of cheap labour.
Your a committed full on Europhile, that's your view and I expect the things you post, one thing you fail to grasp is many who are anti EU are not anti trade (which was the basis Wilson pushed last time) it's the political baggage that comes along we object to.
Being part of the original group of European countries wasn't too bad, it's the obsession with expansion and the drive to ever closer political union that's ruined it.
Btw the poorest countries were not the ones that exist now.

That bit there isn't correct. Which non anti-trade model would you prefer - you say you're not anti trade, but are worried about the possibility of cheap labour coming in?

As it happens, I don't care much whether I'm governed by some feck* I don't know in Westminster Vs some feck* I don't know in a different location. The chances of any of them doing everything (or generally anything) I want and think is in my best interests are slim, wherever they're located.

As for your African boat people analogy, there's still more immigrants to the UK from outside the EU (I think) than within it.

[Worthy4England]

She didn't wish to because it was then the EEC. Now it's the EU .... The very thing she fought so hard against .... and was lambasted for ... In those Maasricht negotiations.

Keep it as a huge free-trade zone and few have any issues. The never ending drive to a USE and many, many do.

Maastricht was the Treaty on European Union. That was it's official name. The ones that came after it (Nice, Lisbon etc.) amended it, yes. But Maastricht made the EU.

[Hoboh]

Guess you missed the bit about "to bring together the peoples of europe", "improve living standards", "help the poorest" etc.

I await any sort of truth about the likely cost of Brexit, (from either side)

Given that the two parties we've had in power since 1975 have both kept us in Europe (so not just your average Lefties), why do you think that might be? Thatcher could hadly be described as left wing. She had 13 years, some of those with a significant majority, yet didn't take us out of Europe? Wonder why...

We are still in Europe because no one has given us a referendum or chance to leave.
I'll tell you why and I'd do exactly the same if I was PM, blame! Easy peasy to blame those 'dammed Europeans' for everything that goes wrong, you just watch how the current African boat people debacle becomes the reason for immigration problems, not the movement of cheap labour.
Your a committed full on Europhile, that's your view and I expect the things you post, one thing you fail to grasp is many who are anti EU are not anti trade (which was the basis Wilson pushed last time) it's the political baggage that comes along we object to.
Being part of the original group of European countries wasn't too bad, it's the obsession with expansion and the drive to ever closer political union that's ruined it.
Btw the poorest countries were not the ones that exist now.

That bit there isn't correct. Which non anti-trade model would you prefer - you say you're not anti trade, but are worried about the possibility of cheap labour coming in?

As it happens, I don't care much whether I'm governed by some feck I don't know in Westminster Vs some feck I don't know in a different location. The chances of any of them doing everything (or generally anything) I want and think is in my best interests are slim, wherever they're located.

As for your African boat people analogy, there's still more immigrants to the UK from outside the EU (I think) than within it.

Need 'cheap labour' to trade usually means a bad business, lousy planning, poor management, wrong tools and shady companies prepared not to bend the law but operate outside of it.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... t-52772476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Way to go!!!
So the behind doors stitch ups to swerve around democracy are stating already, our two best pals in Europe sealing deals that doge any treaty changes to avoid votes on them from the citizens of numerous members.
Step one has started.
'Peace in our time' will get strung up with the wrong meaning again if they are not careful.