The Politics Thread

[thebish]

I'm just glad you're not tossing each other off.

Even though I turned down Hoboh's generous offer - I'm sure it's not too late to ask him yourself...

[Bruce Rioja]

Can one of you answer this for me please? On the News this morning it was saying that Big Dave and Wee Jimmy are holding a meeting today, during which Wee Jimmy's going to issue a list of demands. How the feck does she get say what's what? Is the tail not attempting to wag the dog here?

[Gary the Enfield]

Can one of you answer this for me please? On the News this morning it was saying that Big Dave and Wee Jimmy are holding a meeting today, during which Wee Jimmy's going to issue a list of demands. How the feck does she get say what's what? Is the tail not attempting to wag the dog here?

Think the tail may well be docked. I heard the SNP garnered less votes in the election than those who voted Yes in the devolution referendum.

[thebish]

Can one of you answer this for me please? On the News this morning it was saying that Big Dave and Wee Jimmy are holding a meeting today, during which Wee Jimmy's going to issue a list of demands. How the feck does she get say what's what? Is the tail not attempting to wag the dog here?

it's a fairly clear and quite clever strategy to generate a sense of grievance (whatever cameron offers will not be enough) to give the SNP ammunition in the forthcoming scottish assembly elections and then fuel for another referendum bid...

whatever folk might think of the SNP - they REALLY know how to play politics!

(she'd be fecked if Cameron gave her what she says she wants... she's banking on him falling short of her demands... question is - how clever is Big Dave? probability is she'll run rings round him.)

[Prufrock]

I don't get why he's taking the meeting though! If there was a possibility that they might vote with the Tories on some stuff in return it would make sense, as their majority isn't that big and would only take a back bench rebellion (in the Tories, never!) to make things tough. But the SNP is going to vote against them on principle at every turn!

[Bijou Bob]

And Umunna drops out of the leadership race, citing that he is "Uncomfortable" with the scrutiny involved. My guess is a rather juicy headline in this week's Sunday Sun. Lots of cheers heard from Tory HQ.

[thebish]

And Umunna drops out of the leadership race, citing that he is "Uncomfortable" with the scrutiny involved. My guess is a rather juicy headline in this week's Sunday Sun. Lots of cheers heard from Tory HQ.

if the tories were seriously worried about Ummuna - then they are a bunch of panic-fannies!

[Prufrock]

Sounds like someone's got something on him, thank f*ck.

[Worthy4England]

And Umunna drops out of the leadership race, citing that he is "Uncomfortable" with the scrutiny involved. My guess is a rather juicy headline in this week's Sunday Sun. Lots of cheers heard from Tory HQ.

Dunno whether anyone has anything on him or not. It could be purely that there's nothing behind the marketing.....

[Beefheart]

I don't get why he's taking the meeting though! If there was a possibility that they might vote with the Tories on some stuff in return it would make sense, as their majority isn't that big and would only take a back bench rebellion (in the Tories, never!) to make things tough. But the SNP is going to vote against them on principle at every turn!

It's to do with the devolution promised during the referendum, rather than how the SNP will vote in parliament.

[Prufrock]

Ah, makes sense, ta.

Anyway, on the Labour leadership, here's my pick (and I get a say woo). Still think it could be too soon: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... leadership" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

Ah, makes sense, ta.

Anyway, on the Labour leadership, here's my pick (and I get a say woo). Still think it could be too soon: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... leadership" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

now that WOULD make it interesting - I'd definitely be up for that!! sod the girlies - Starmer in!!

[Prufrock]

Re: Starmer -

If Labour are going to win the next election, it's the southern middle-class who want to vote for Labour's social policies but don't trust them on the economy they need to convince. Especially now they're going to struggle in Scotland, and there'll have been the constituency re-draws.

In order to do that the leader needs to not get put in the box Ed was from day one (though being called "Keir" might not help there!) That takes someone very forceful and very good, and he's at least one, and I'm pretty sure both, of those.

I've seen him talk live and he's very impressive, plus as DPP he spoke a lot about how the legal system should be focused on the victims in a way that the Daily Mail couldn't call wishy-washy wet liberal. That a) suggests he could pull off the "tough on crime" rhetoric that would keep folk going to UKIP up north but also showed political savvy from a guy who spent 20 years working with Geoffrey Robertson in Human Rights!

The more I read of Stella Creasy, say, the more I like her, but I'm not sure she's got the reach to attract more than the 35%. Much like Ed I think she'd be very popular with people who were going to vote Labour anyway, and not that popular with those who weren't.

[Hoboh]

Chucked his hat in the ring,
Now chucked his dummy out.
Two potential Labour leaders now out of the running before the shows even started, should be fun
Oh did I mention how many Labour MP's were in the pocket of Unite and it's dog of a leader?
Won't be many candidates make it through if they need the support of 35 to even get in the vote off.

[thebish]

Chucked his hat in the ring,
Now chucked his dummy out.
Two potential Labour leaders now out of the running before the shows even started, should be fun
Oh did I mention how many Labour MP's were in the pocket of Unite and it's dog of a leader?
Won't be many candidates make it through if they need the support of 35 to even get in the vote off.

at least there will BE an election! Is Farage simply gonna be crowned - the unelected Brussels Bureaucrat? (how ironic!)

[TANGODANCER]

Och Aye Jock... That's a new slant on things....We'll all live in Scotlandshire...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/129 ... _Scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Gary the Enfield]

Och Aye Jock... That's a new slant on things....We'll all live in Scotlandshire...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/129 ... _Scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

on the change.org?

Sounds like someone's having a hot flush! What a crock of shite!

[Hoboh]

Och Aye Jock... That's a new slant on things....We'll all live in Scotlandshire...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/129 ... _Scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

38,000 eh? No doubt a fair few of them multiple entries along the lines of 'thumbs up' to comments/posts etc.
I doubt the EPL football supporters of a few clubs would appreciate playing in the SPL

Lefties in general are turning out to be really sore losers, almost as bad as the whinging, back biting, perpetually moaning Scots!
If you cannot win an election against a government that lies constantly through its teeth, has real under the surface problems on Europe with a large % of its party and MP's teetering on rebellion without joining up with a Nationalist party full of bigots who actually detest you, you deserve to be in opposition!
I doubt Jesus could get Labour elected in 2020, shame the Lib Dems allowed Mr Smarmy to sell them down the river, they could have done really well this time and next.
Labour is a rudderless boat heading for the rocks and at the rate it's going at will some just be a sole voice for the remaining few people who actually give a shit about the unions and that's not many!

[Harry Genshaw]

Och Aye Jock... That's a new slant on things....We'll all live in Scotlandshire...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/129 ... _Scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

38,000 eh? No doubt a fair few of them multiple entries along the lines of 'thumbs up' to comments/posts etc.
I doubt the EPL football supporters of a few clubs would appreciate playing in the SPL

Lefties in general are turning out to be really sore losers, almost as bad as the whinging, back biting, perpetually moaning Scots!
If you cannot win an election against a government that lies constantly through its teeth, has real under the surface problems on Europe with a large % of its party and MP's teetering on rebellion without joining up with a Nationalist party full of bigots who actually detest you, you deserve to be in opposition!
I doubt Jesus could get Labour elected in 2020, shame the Lib Dems allowed Mr Smarmy to sell them down the river, they could have done really well this time and next.
Labour is a rudderless boat heading for the rocks and at the rate it's going at will some just be a sole voice for the remaining few people who actually give a shit about the unions and that's not many!

To be fair your previous polling predictions weren't that reliable

[bobo the clown]

Graeme Blake, named in that article, sits next to me at the Macron. Glaswegian, ex-BBC Tech/Producer. Good guy. Politics of a madman.