Freedman out!

[StaffsTrotter]

the focus has been shifted to and everyone seems to have picked up on the individual mistake mantra, but isn't this missing the point ?

From reports I've read and seen (of watford & other pre season), the issues that made last season such a turgid chore have been maintained. The team appears set up and coached to be :cautious, passive, slow & predictable, immobile, disjointed, with low intensity & creativity. I say appears, because I can't believe that is the purpose, but it is the outcome with such depressing regularity and no matter the personnel used, that the manager must regard it as the best way of winning football matches and hence be his football philosophy.

I know results are the be all and people are influenced by the last result, but can anyone really say that the club has progressed or turned a corner over the last couple of years. Is there really a sense of direction and does anybody really enjoy what they are watching ?

[Prufrock]

It's not missing the point, it's pointing out that there are two points.

All three goals came about after horrendous individual mistakes. And, regardless of that, from the people who went it sounds like we were utter wank anyway. We appear not to have a situation where the manager is shit and dragging down good players, or one where the players are shit and dragging down a good manager but worryingly, one where the manager is shit and the players are too! Hooray.

He's also at the Owen Coyle point where it doesn't matter either way, because even if it is all the players, he's had long enough to fire them off/ has signed them himself. He gets a bit of sympathy for the striker situation, but even that is limited. Shit or bust time over the next 8-10 games.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He's also at the Owen Coyle point where it doesn't matter either way, because even if it is all the players, he's had long enough to fire them off/ has signed them himself. He gets a bit of sympathy for the striker situation, but even that is limited. Shit or bust time over the next 8-10 games.

This, but bigger and bolder.

He's also at the Owen Coyle point where it doesn't matter either way, because even if it is all the players, he's had long enough to fire them off/ has signed them himself. He gets a bit of sympathy for the striker situation, but even that is limited. Shit or bust time over the next 8-10 games.

[BWFC_Insane]

He's also at the Owen Coyle point where it doesn't matter either way, because even if it is all the players, he's had long enough to fire them off/ has signed them himself. He gets a bit of sympathy for the striker situation, but even that is limited. Shit or bust time over the next 8-10 games.

This, but bigger and bolder.

He's also at the Owen Coyle point where it doesn't matter either way, because even if it is all the players, he's had long enough to fire them off/ has signed them himself. He gets a bit of sympathy for the striker situation, but even that is limited. Shit or bust time over the next 8-10 games.

There is a wider point in that we've changed our manager three times now to try and revert a trend downwards. None of them have seemingly managed to do that. In all cases there has been some short term pay-off but the longer term trend only comes back to bite even harder.

Megson kept us up then got us to a respectable 13th the season after. Before taking us back towards the bottom three.

Coyle kept us up and got us to a resepectable 14th the season after. Before relegating us and leaving us 18th in the championship.

Freedman took us from near the bottom to 7th. Before a poor season in the bottom half of the championship.

There is a pattern emerging there. I'm not saying stick with him regardless and yes the whole "but they weren't the right men" blah blah. Possibly not. But then it does show that we are increasingly limited in choices. And that arguably the people with the experience and know-how to turn things round are not going to think twice about us.

We almost might have been better just sticking with Sammy Lee and seeing where he took us. Would have saved an awful lot of money and possibly left us in a more stable state than we are now.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

If after this 8-10 games we're still looking at a repeat of last season then I'm for getting a new manager. Any new manager has to be on the basis that the squad is what you have, you can have a striker on top (loan/min fee) and you work with it. Set some realistic targets and they get to stay if they meet them. We may not have great players, but there is enough there to compete for a top half finish without the fans losing the will to live.

[BWFC_Insane]

If after this 8-10 games we're still looking at a repeat of last season then I'm for getting a new manager. Any new manager has to be on the basis that the squad is what you have, you can have a striker on top (loan/min fee) and you work with it. Set some realistic targets and they get to stay if they meet them. We may not have great players, but there is enough there to compete for a top half finish without the fans losing the will to live.

That is the trouble though, I can't see em lining up for that sort of gig. You're looking at someone out of work and cheap. In other words someone who has been rubbish somewhere else.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

If after this 8-10 games we're still looking at a repeat of last season then I'm for getting a new manager. Any new manager has to be on the basis that the squad is what you have, you can have a striker on top (loan/min fee) and you work with it. Set some realistic targets and they get to stay if they meet them. We may not have great players, but there is enough there to compete for a top half finish without the fans losing the will to live.

That is the trouble though, I can't see em lining up for that sort of gig. You're looking at someone out of work and cheap. In other words someone who has been rubbish somewhere else.

Anyone we can afford is going to be either new or have been rubbish somewhere else. Thing for me is that if shuffling the playing pack results in zero change then we have to find someone that can get more out of them. I don't think we're getting even close to getting the best out of what we've got.

[Riviman]

I have heard he's been given 10 games then his position will be "reassessed".

[KeyserSoze]

Does that mean Prufrock is Eddie Davies?

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

Ive stopped going

I will start to justify spending the ridiculous amount,of money required for me to attend when we appoint a manager who doesnt take the piss.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

If after this 8-10 games we're still looking at a repeat of last season then I'm for getting a new manager. Any new manager has to be on the basis that the squad is what you have, you can have a striker on top (loan/min fee) and you work with it. Set some realistic targets and they get to stay if they meet them. We may not have great players, but there is enough there to compete for a top half finish without the fans losing the will to live.

That is the trouble though, I can't see em lining up for that sort of gig. You're looking at someone out of work and cheap. In other words someone who has been rubbish somewhere else.

Anyone we can afford is going to be either new or have been rubbish somewhere else.

Or working their way up - for example, yer man Karl Robinson - and therefore untried at this level. Or maybe has been tried at this level and it hasn't worked (but might somewhere else), like Keith Hill. Or someone who has excelled at this level but is currently out of work, like... well, sadly, I don't know, but wouldn't it be nice if we could find another Bruce Rioch – who, before coming to us, was "out of work and cheap" having been bombed out by Millwall? And if that New Rioch could find us a New Branagan for free and a New McGinlay for buttons, then, well...

Excuse me, I may have to go and sob.

[jaffka]

I have heard he's been given 10 games then his position will be "reassessed".

Ooooohhhh now this is interesting.

Can I enquire where you have heard this?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

What I don't get, and I'm a lone voice crying in the wilderness, is: if you've plumes a hundred million quid into a business as a fan, and you can see that not putting any more money in is as unlikely to pay dividends as using astrology to pick your team, why don't you actually recruit a top class manager who does know how to manage. Yeh yeh yeh, I know it'll cost him a bit, but ffs that way he just might get his money back and some. Because one fings fer sure he ain't getting paid with this strategy.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I have heard he's been given 10 games then his position will be "reassessed".

Ooooohhhh now this is interesting.

Can I enquire where you have heard this?

Yes. You can ask.

[Worthy4England]

10 games seems to be our standard position. Apart from Sammy Lee where they multiplied it by a height factor.

[bobo the clown]

10 games seems to be our standard position. Apart from Sammy Lee where they multiplied it by a height factor.

10 games seems reasonable. Had we used that for Coyle we may still be bumbling along in the Premiership.

In Doug-larse's case, given his previous from last season, I'd hope we could give him the benefit of the doubt and move things along a little more quickly.

[Puskas]

I'd be very surprised if he was "assessed" after 10 games - surely it's far more likely that they'll just let his contract run down and then not renew it at the end of the season. As they did with Ngog, Eagles, etc...

Apathy is the new passion.

Anyway, whilst I wasn't intending to go to any matches this season, I'm now quite excited by the thought of our 11th league match - I want to go to see him beat last season's record winless streak.

#MakingHistoryWithDougieFreedman'sSuperWhiteArmy #Yay #Hashtag

Etc.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Lee's reign lasted 15 games in all, although three of them were immediately post-Allardyce. Of his 12 games at the start of 07/08 before consensual departure, three were cup games. I'd forgotten that we only lost one of our last six games under him...

(sort of, as an extra-time loss is technically a draw)

[nelson66]

Bin Freedman and his goons right now - were going backwards

His tactics are dire, his team selections unfathomable and his purchases questionable


No use moaning without giving an alternative solution

So my solution is to get Jimmy Philips back in the hot seat.......... and tell him to start blooding the youngsters that he has brought through the academy ranks

As a club we're in deep do do, and none of our current crop of failures has been "improved" by Freedman to the point that people are coming up with offers for our players - seriously - when was the last time someone really wanted one of our players enough to offer some decent money for them ?????

As a club, we have been developing talent with a view to getting them in the first team and then selling them on........... the best man to bring this plan to fruition in our Jimmy

Clough, Threlkeld, Riley, Vela, Hall, White, Wilkinson etc

I'd rather watch this lot losing 3 nil away than the 11 couldnt give a shitters that played last Saturday
At least I'd know that it was young players gaining experience to "improve" them for the future than seasoned pros who are never going to "improve"

[BWFC_Insane]

Bin Freedman and his goons right now - were going backwards

His tactics are dire, his team selections unfathomable and his purchases questionable


No use moaning without giving an alternative solution

So my solution is to get Jimmy Philips back in the hot seat.......... and tell him to start blooding the youngsters that he has brought through the academy ranks

As a club we're in deep do do, and none of our current crop of failures has been "improved" by Freedman to the point that people are coming up with offers for our players - seriously - when was the last time someone really wanted one of our players enough to offer some decent money for them ?????

As a club, we have been developing talent with a view to getting them in the first team and then selling them on........... the best man to bring this plan to fruition in our Jimmy

Clough, Threlkeld, Riley, Vela, Hall, White, Wilkinson etc

I'd rather watch this lot losing 3 nil away than the 11 couldnt give a shitters that played last Saturday
At least I'd know that it was young players gaining experience to "improve" them for the future than seasoned pros who are never going to "improve"

How long has Jimmy Phillips been at the academy? And what is it's success rate in that time? He was being put under pressure by the club a year or so back to produce results.

But hey lets put the "not so succesful, not even fully qualified academy manager" in charge of the whole kaboodle. What could possibly go wrong?