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2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:08 am

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by mullayo » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:42 am

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by mullayo » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am

I have a theory about fixtures,

Early we want all the relegated teams before they settle,
In the middle the crap teams
And at the end the mid-table teams when they got nothing to play for.

AUG
(A) TOP8
Bristol City (H)
(A)BOTTOM8
(H)BOTTOM8
Sheff Utd (H)

SEP
(A)TOP8
QPR (H)
(A)TOP8
Ipswich (A)
(H)TOP8

OCT
(A)TOP8
(H)BOTTOM8
(A)BOTTOM8
(H)BOTTOM8
(H)BOTTOM8

NOV
(A)TOP8
(H)TOP8
(A)TOP8
Sheff Wed (A)

DEC
(H)BOTTOM8
Norwich (A)
Leeds (H)
Brentford (A)
(H)BOTTOM8
Stoke (H)TOP8

JAN
(A)BOTTOM8
Bristol City (A)
(H)TOP8
(H)BOTTOM8

FEB
Sheff Utd (A)
(H)TOP8
(A)BOTTOM8
Norwich (H)
Leeds (A)

MAR
(A)TOP8
(H)TOP8
Sheff Wed (H)
(A)BOTTOM8
(A)BOTTOM8

APR
Ipswich (H)
(H)TOP8
(A)TOP8
(H)TOP8
(A)BOTTOM8
Brentford (H)

MAY
(A)BOTTOM8

Analysing this the March and April are a bit of a nightmare playing people who presumably have something to play for. Will need to get the bulk of our points before by February. November is bad but October is good. Moving December to April is ideal.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:11 am

Don't publish the fixtures in full if you don't have a licence. It allows the Football DataCo, who charge sites a hefty premium for the right to publish them, to sue and close sites who haven't paid. They may not, but then again they may.

You might be safe to move them around a bit - a three-column list of TOP8, BOTTOM8, OTHER - but chronological lists like this are dangerous.

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by Prufrock » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:22 am

I'm still not having they'd win if someone fought them, but sure DJBlu can't be fecked being the guinea pig for that theory.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:08 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:22 am
I'm still not having they'd win if someone fought them, but sure DJBlu can't be fecked being the guinea pig for that theory.
By the same token that Jagger and Richards get 100% of the rights from The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony, despite the sample coming from music that wasn't recorded by the Rolling Stones but was a cover version which substantially altered the arrangement and melody... it's not always about who's right, but who's got the better lawyers.

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by mullayo » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:33 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:11 am
Don't publish the fixtures in full if you don't have a licence. It allows the Football DataCo, who charge sites a hefty premium for the right to publish them, to sue and close sites who haven't paid. They may not, but then again they may.

You might be safe to move them around a bit - a three-column list of TOP8, BOTTOM8, OTHER - but chronological lists like this are dangerous.
Sorry didn't realise there was copywright on facts and dates etc.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:50 pm

That's ok mate - I'm not angry, just protecting TW from legalities that may be utterly fatuous but are also potentially ruinous.

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:35 pm

Yup, anything like copyright infringement is best avoided (:

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:09 pm

What are they claiming as IP? A particular lay-out or just any information about fixtures?

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by Prufrock » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26808

See the original, official, fixtures thread to find out.
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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:31 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26808

See the original, official, fixtures thread to find out.
Fair enough. There's absolutely no case there if they threaten to sue anyone, unless they have a layout they own and people directly copy that. Even then, they'd struggle to win a suit if credit was given on a non-profit site. Fair usage is protected.

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:25 am

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:31 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26808

See the original, official, fixtures thread to find out.
Fair enough. There's absolutely no case there if they threaten to sue anyone, unless they have a layout they own and people directly copy that. Even then, they'd struggle to win a suit if credit was given on a non-profit site. Fair usage is protected.
If they threaten to sue someone it doesn't matter if they have a case or not. Hosting companies, for example, don't like getting sued!
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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by GhostoftheBok » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:57 pm

Armchair Wanderer wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:25 am
GhostoftheBok wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:31 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26808

See the original, official, fixtures thread to find out.
Fair enough. There's absolutely no case there if they threaten to sue anyone, unless they have a layout they own and people directly copy that. Even then, they'd struggle to win a suit if credit was given on a non-profit site. Fair usage is protected.
If they threaten to sue someone it doesn't matter if they have a case or not. Hosting companies, for example, don't like getting sued!
It does, as it happens. If someone says they will sue you for an obviously frivolous reason then the likelihood of it worrying company 'x' is fairly low. If a case has potential merit then it's likely to cause headaches, but if someone says "I own the rights to the English language and any site using it is getting sued" then hosting companies, or anyone else, won't be getting into a tizzy over the incoming lawsuit.

The viability of suits matters. That's why I asked what they were claiming to own. It seems the company in question have already lost a case on this issue, making it even less likely to worry anyone. I once had someone threaten to sue me because my company had the same name as his dog (I don't think he even had a dog). A threat of a suit is not a suit.

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Re: 2018/19 Fixtures...

Post by Bijou Bob » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:27 pm

Aaand back on topic.......

Looking at the fixtures brings into cold, sharp relief just how difficult a season it's going to be. I'm struggling to find 3 teams that are substantially weaker than us (As we stand) and a poor start this year would be even harder to recover from. Interesting that 4 of our last 6 fixtures are at home, but I'm hoping, if not expecting, that we'll be almost safe before them.
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