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I'm in the same boat with Grealish - how many times would he be in a much better place than the free-kick he's milked, if only he stayed stood up...BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:00 pmNot a huge Grealish fan myself but I think his role was a bit missed today. We won though and it’s a massive win. Had a few too many now but definitely channeling the spirit of 96 here…it’s coming home and all that…Bruce Rioja wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:08 pmFair enough. My pre-match thoughts were though that this midfield has to first and foremost contain Modric, to then be able go on to play. That's exactly why I agree wholeheartedly with us not having played Grealish the show pony, who earns more through his cheating than through his actual contribution.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:54 pm
Wouldn’t rate it that highly but definitely agree on Phillips. Was superb. Looked right up for it he did.
Also, for all this talk about playing Trippier at LB, I just took it from that that those who're paid to do their homework on this sort of thing will have sussed that Croatia have a player on their right who likes to cut in onto his left. Whether that's the case or not I'm not sure, but I certainly didn't see any threat down that side which exposed Trippier.
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He played him for set pieces and aggressive defending. Not having it, it was an attacking tactical decisionGhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:26 pmHe played Trippier so he could step inside and find Sterling's out-to-in runs. It didn't work, because Modric figured out early what was going on there and it was easy for him to stop. I assume we will play different set ups against different sides.
It was important to play 2 def mids with him there, as he's always going to look for a short square pass inside and Rice and Phillips were excellent. Rice screened everything and killed any space for them. Phillips was a blockbuster old skool box to box performance. 10/10 from him
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Agree 100% with that. Set pieces and 1v1 defending is why Trippier played.
I *suspect* he'll drop Walker for one of Shaw or Chilwell on Friday, otherwise unchanged. I think he'd have planned to drop Phillips for that but won't now.
I *suspect* he'll drop Walker for one of Shaw or Chilwell on Friday, otherwise unchanged. I think he'd have planned to drop Phillips for that but won't now.
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I think he'll keep the back 4 personally. Against Scotland there'll be a lot of passion, pressing and aggression, so the most experienced side he can play, he'll play, despite them being absolutely all over every inside pass that Trips plays (hope I'm wrong though, as I really don't like it)
Expect the only change will be Rashford for Foden, personally
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Trippier's international experience, his defending and his set pieces will all have played a part in his inclusion. I think if you watch the patterns Trippier triggered then there's more to it than that. Southgate's entire game plan vs Croatia was to shut down the midfield and open up space for runners in behind Vrsaljko and Vida. In order to shut down that midfield Southgate had to put inexperienced players in (Rice and Phillips) due to Henderson's injury and was then forced to put another in for Maguire. So Trippier's experience became vital for Southgate, no question. However, if Trippier wasn't the player most suited to Southgate's plan he doesn't play. If one of the natural left backs offered Southgate more in getting us direct up to Sterling then they start.
Early attacking patterns were triggered by Trippier, until Croatia shut him down inside. In the second half you'll note that Foden repeatedly fell off from his position on the right to try and drag Modric back. It didn't work, because the Croats adapted to that and he gave it up after 10-15 minutes.
That shifting across of the Croatian midfield is why Phillips was able to play as well as he did, which I don't think Southgate could reasonably have expected. If Phillips doesn't play that well we don't win. If that plan was "Trippier will be solid and Phillips will look world class" then that was a bad plan.
Early attacking patterns were triggered by Trippier, until Croatia shut him down inside. In the second half you'll note that Foden repeatedly fell off from his position on the right to try and drag Modric back. It didn't work, because the Croats adapted to that and he gave it up after 10-15 minutes.
That shifting across of the Croatian midfield is why Phillips was able to play as well as he did, which I don't think Southgate could reasonably have expected. If Phillips doesn't play that well we don't win. If that plan was "Trippier will be solid and Phillips will look world class" then that was a bad plan.
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Nobody said that was his plan. But I'm not having it he played Trippier at LB to suit Sterling. Sterling's game when teams sit deep against us is all about coming inside and he needs width on the overlap for that, which he never got. If it's for passes inside the FB/CB then the best person we have for that was Mount, not a Right back playing left back
I think you're reading too much into it
I think you're reading too much into it
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So, if we have four right backs, who are we saying should get the job of keeping Robertson quiet on Friday? Which is surely key.
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The obvious one for me is Trippier. He's the best defensively.
But to be honest, I don't think Robertson is all that. He's busy and aggressive, but I wouldn't be too worried about him going forward
But to be honest, I don't think Robertson is all that. He's busy and aggressive, but I wouldn't be too worried about him going forward
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Okay.boltonboris wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:16 pmNobody said that was his plan. But I'm not having it he played Trippier at LB to suit Sterling. Sterling's game when teams sit deep against us is all about coming inside and he needs width on the overlap for that, which he never got. If it's for passes inside the FB/CB then the best person we have for that was Mount, not a Right back playing left back
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I think he's been by far the best player on the pitch in this game, and IMO is world class. But he's a left back. And their forwards couldn't score in a brothel.
Trippier as the best defender is what I'd do. He might decide Walker's pace is the answer.
Trippier as the best defender is what I'd do. He might decide Walker's pace is the answer.
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Fair enough. I have him down as being far and away their main chance of creating anything. That said, they really are shit up top.boltonboris wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:26 pmThe obvious one for me is Trippier. He's the best defensively.
But to be honest, I don't think Robertson is all that. He's busy and aggressive, but I wouldn't be too worried about him going forward
I'd move Trippier back to RB too btw.
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As would I. Chilwell at LB for me. I don’t think Walker had his best game.Bruce Rioja wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:30 pmFair enough. I have him down as being far and away their main chance of creating anything. That said, they really are shit up top.boltonboris wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:26 pmThe obvious one for me is Trippier. He's the best defensively.
But to be honest, I don't think Robertson is all that. He's busy and aggressive, but I wouldn't be too worried about him going forward
I'd move Trippier back to RB too btw.
Noticed the media asking what was up with Kane so wasn’t just me who thought he struggled. Lacked sharpness for me.
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Interesting. Maybe I afforded the Croatian defenders too much credit?BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:18 pm
Noticed the media asking what was up with Kane so wasn’t just me who thought he struggled. Lacked sharpness for me.
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Trippier at RB to counter the threat of Robertson seems to make sense, especially as we have two great options for the left with less of an attacking threat to worry about from Scotland.boltonboris wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:26 pmThe obvious one for me is Trippier. He's the best defensively.
But to be honest, I don't think Robertson is all that. He's busy and aggressive, but I wouldn't be too worried about him going forward
I hope we see the fresh legs of Sancho, Grealish, Saka, James, DCL et al at some point on Friday to really take the game to Scotland. The team selection on Sunday was very Mourinho-esque in that it was set-up specifically to nullify Croatia, but we can afford to be more aggressive against the jocks.
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I think your "at some point" is crucial there. They will be *bang* up for it and it will be 1000mph for the first half hour at least. Rice and Philips will both play, as I suspect will Mount.
Only changes I think he might make are Chilwell/Shaw for Walker (but take Boris's point about experience and he might stick with it) and possibly Rashford for Foden as the space will be in behind the wing backs. Personally think the first slightly more likely than the second but neither would surprise me.
He'll be looking to win then make 11 changes for the Czechs
Only changes I think he might make are Chilwell/Shaw for Walker (but take Boris's point about experience and he might stick with it) and possibly Rashford for Foden as the space will be in behind the wing backs. Personally think the first slightly more likely than the second but neither would surprise me.
He'll be looking to win then make 11 changes for the Czechs
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Rashford and Sterling? Ugh. I’d play Grealish for Mount as I think it’s the sort of game Grealish would do well in.Prufrock wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:49 pmI think your "at some point" is crucial there. They will be *bang* up for it and it will be 1000mph for the first half hour at least. Rice and Philips will both play, as I suspect will Mount.
Only changes I think he might make are Chilwell/Shaw for Walker (but take Boris's point about experience and he might stick with it) and possibly Rashford for Foden as the space will be in behind the wing backs. Personally think the first slightly more likely than the second but neither would surprise me.
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Yep. I love Mount, I think he's superb, but to relieve some pressure, slow the game down and create things Grealish has to play. Ball carrier, creative and more importantly a prolific freekick winner
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My reasoning is that Scotland likely will try and be compact and what hurts that is a player who runs at you. Sterling stretches teams and I doubt Scotland will allow that in same way Croatia did. Foden needs someone to play with as he's not a winger really and Grealish in the middle would offer that whilst also running at them.boltonboris wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:00 pmYep. I love Mount, I think he's superb, but to relieve some pressure, slow the game down and create things Grealish has to play. Ball carrier, creative and more importantly a prolific freekick winner
I like Mount but I don't think that's his best role I think he's more suited to playing from a deeper starting point.
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I don't think he will though, at least not from the start.
Though no-one predicted the team for the last game, tbf.
Though no-one predicted the team for the last game, tbf.
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