McClaren Out !!!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Are you obsessed with full backs?

And hasn't he been playing 2 centre backs as full backs ala O'Neill for most of the season anyways?

No, on both counts. Are you obsessed with Martin O'Neill? And have you done any research at all which turns up evidence that either Corluka or Garrido - 13 appearances each for City - are primarily centre-backs? Oh look, there's a hat-trick of No.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Yeah but at least we'll give the Scots and Welsh sommat to cheer about!

That's true - as I was writing it I could imagine Fatshaft's face creasing into an almighty grin!! like that but possibly less green

[WhiteArmy]

Yeah but at least we'll give the Scots and Welsh sommat to cheer about!

That's true - as I was writing it I could imagine Fatshaft's face creasing into an almighty grin!! like that but possibly less green

Oh they're waiting for it, believe me

[hisroyalgingerness]

so it's fair to say we completely don't give a shit about us qualifying or not

[communistworkethic]

dunno, gives you an extra reason to go to the pub during the summer doesn't it?

[CrazyHorse]

so it's fair to say we completely don't give a shit about us qualifying or not

I torn right down the middle.
Want to qualify because it'll be shit next summer if England aren't there however not going through would see the back of old redface and probably give the team a well deserved kick up the arse too.

So in summary....no we don't give a shit either way.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

so it's fair to say we completely don't give a shit about us qualifying or not

Oh I want us to - quite fancy another trip and as CWE says it's excuse for summer boozin' - but I'll try not to get my hopes above "qualifying from the group" or my expectations above "not getting f*cked in every game"

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

not going through would see the back of old redface and probably give the team a well deserved kick up the arse too.

Sadly I doubt it, my equine chum. If they win it's their glory, if they lose it's the manager's fault. This is the kind of blame-free cosseted head-in-clouds existence which is encouraged when a certain London-based recently-recalled midfielder is referred to, as a nickname, by his agent, to his face, as "Super".

[BWFC_Insane]

not going through would see the back of old redface and probably give the team a well deserved kick up the arse too.

Sadly I doubt it, my equine chum. If they win it's their glory, if they lose it's the manager's fault. This is the kind of blame-free cosseted head-in-clouds existence which is encouraged when a certain London-based recently-recalled midfielder is referred to, as a nickname, by his agent, to his face, as "Super".

Or pehaps when a certain Scouse midfielder who has in my opinion had about 15 good minutes on a pitch whilst playing for England and the rest of the time been anonymous at best is described as a "world class player" and we build a midfield to let him "play".

[CrazyHorse]

not going through would see the back of old redface and probably give the team a well deserved kick up the arse too.

Sadly I doubt it, my equine chum. If they win it's their glory, if they lose it's the manager's fault. This is the kind of blame-free cosseted head-in-clouds existence which is encouraged when a certain London-based recently-recalled midfielder is referred to, as a nickname, by his agent, to his face, as "Super".

You mean they've just recalled Sir Trevor Brooking.....


My prediction for tonight: A long drawn out stalemated 0-0 with England having just 2 attempts at goal, 0 on target.

[WhiteArmy]

England 3-1 Croatia.

I would love us to win.

I'd also love Norn Iron to win as well but can't see it meself.

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Or pehaps when a certain Scouse midfielder who has in my opinion had about 15 good minutes on a pitch whilst playing for England and the rest of the time been anonymous at best is described as a "world class player" and we build a midfield to let him "play".

Hahaha, get a hold of yourself. How many times has he been shoehorned into the 'holding role' to allow Lampard to be the one who goes forward? How often have they thrown him on the right or left to accommodate others in the same team?

All I care about tonight is Gerrard not getting injured, couldn't give a flying ratfuck about the result.

[BWFC_Insane]

Or pehaps when a certain Scouse midfielder who has in my opinion had about 15 good minutes on a pitch whilst playing for England and the rest of the time been anonymous at best is described as a "world class player" and we build a midfield to let him "play".

Hahaha, get a hold of yourself. How many times has he been shoehorned into the 'holding role' to allow Lampard to be the one who goes forward? How often have they thrown him on the right or left to accommodate others in the same team?

All I care about tonight is Gerrard not getting injured, couldn't give a flying ratfuck about the result.

How often has Lampard had to defend because Gerrard has "wandered off" and is nowhere to be seen.

Or let me ask a more pertinent question......

How many good games has Gerrard had for England?

Answer honestly.

Its a lot less than Lampard has.

[WhiteArmy]

If I may interject. EN-GER-LUND EN-GER-LUND-EN-GER-LUND, EN-GER-LUND EN-GER-LUND EN-GER-LUND repeat til fade..........

[durham_wanderer]

Id much prefer england losing but all the Man Utd players getting injured and so are out of saturdays game, rather than england winning.

Couldnt give a toss about internationals really

[boltonboris]

Id much prefer england losing but all the Man Utd players getting injured and so are out of saturdays game, rather than england winning.

Couldnt give a toss about internationals really

Tournaments don't feel the same when we're not in them so...... Come on England!!!

[Lord Kangana]

not going through would see the back of old redface and probably give the team a well deserved kick up the arse too.

Sadly I doubt it, my equine chum. If they win it's their glory, if they lose it's the manager's fault. This is the kind of blame-free cosseted head-in-clouds existence which is encouraged when a certain London-based recently-recalled midfielder is referred to, as a nickname, by his agent, to his face, as "Super".

Or pehaps when a certain Scouse midfielder who has in my opinion had about 15 good minutes on a pitch whilst playing for England and the rest of the time been anonymous at best is described as a "world class player" and we build a midfield to let him "play".

Amen to that!!

Have wanted to say that for years, never had the balls too, as everyone seems to think he's so amazing.

Because, from whatever angle I watch from (usually behind the sofa or watching the wall-paper dry if its England), I just can't see it.

ps my brother-in-law agrees with me so thats at least 3 of us

[Tombwfc]

Make that four.

Never fails to baffle me the stick that Lampard gets when playing for England compared to Stevie G, he's been one of our better (if not the best) players over the past few years. He had a shit world cup (Gerrard hardly ripped up German forests either), but he was our top scorer in qualifying, and voted Englands player of the year two years on the bounce before that. If any, he's the one we should build a midfield around.

[Batman]

i reckon he'll play crouch on his own, and Gerrard as the 'support striker'

5 in midfield

boring or what

Can't see it. Trying a new formation against Croatia didn't work out too well last time, he's at home in front of a newly-expectant audience, we need to win (although a draw would do, playing for draws isn't England's strong suit), Darren Bent has been called up and I can't think of a single game where Gerrard, who loves coming on to the game like Captain Hollywood rather than playing with his back to goal, has ever played well in that role.

Still, let's hope we win. Not least to avoid the possibility of this. "McClaren out", was that? Again, be careful what you wish for...

i was riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[BWFC_Insane]

not going through would see the back of old redface and probably give the team a well deserved kick up the arse too.

Sadly I doubt it, my equine chum. If they win it's their glory, if they lose it's the manager's fault. This is the kind of blame-free cosseted head-in-clouds existence which is encouraged when a certain London-based recently-recalled midfielder is referred to, as a nickname, by his agent, to his face, as "Super".

Or pehaps when a certain Scouse midfielder who has in my opinion had about 15 good minutes on a pitch whilst playing for England and the rest of the time been anonymous at best is described as a "world class player" and we build a midfield to let him "play".

Amen to that!!

Have wanted to say that for years, never had the balls too, as everyone seems to think he's so amazing.

Because, from whatever angle I watch from (usually behind the sofa or watching the wall-paper dry if its England), I just can't see it.

ps my brother-in-law agrees with me so thats at least 3 of us

I think Gerrard is a very good player. But he doesn't play well internationally.

Perhaps because his game is suited to drifiting in and out and picking the ball up every so often and driving at a defence. But we aren't good enough to have a midifield with a player that isn't always influencing the game. Lampard is a better short and long passer than Gerrard. He is economical whereas Gerrard is more about energy.

Facts are Gerrard hasn't really performed for England. Lampard has albeit not recently.

Having said all that with my luck Gerrard will have a stormer tonight.