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Quite possibly true, but then Liverpool are generally much more patient with their managers than just about every other club. It's no secret that those clubs who stick with their managers and give them time generally perform better than those who may have more money but who are constantly changing managers.Batman wrote:he'd have been sacked by now had he not fluked that first champs league
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Its fine sticking with a manager as long as they're the right one.blurred wrote:Quite possibly true, but then Liverpool are generally much more patient with their managers than just about every other club. It's no secret that those clubs who stick with their managers and give them time generally perform better than those who may have more money but who are constantly changing managers.Batman wrote:he'd have been sacked by now had he not fluked that first champs league
...and you last won the league in?blurred wrote:Quite possibly true, but then Liverpool are generally much more patient with their managers than just about every other club. It's no secret that those clubs who stick with their managers and give them time generally perform better than those who may have more money but who are constantly changing managers.Batman wrote:he'd have been sacked by now had he not fluked that first champs league
The early nineties, yes. But we've been more successful than just about every other side in that period (barring Man United, of course). I'm not saying that keeping manager = winning league, because that's obviously not the case, but United persevered with Fergie despite a fairly disastrous start, Arsenal have allowed Wenger plenty of time to build the club up, and both of those managers have gone on to win league titles. We'd be foolish to part with Benitez so comparatively early in his tenure, in my opinion.fatshaft wrote:and you last won the league in?
Indeed, and you'll never quite know for sure. If not winning a league in 4 years is the way that these things are decided, then can we expect Wenger to be getting his P45 should Arsenal not do the business this season? Of course not, there's a lot more that comes into it (and far more than most of us will ever know, behind the scenes).BWFC_Insane wrote:Its fine sticking with a manager as long as they're the right one.
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True but then Wenger has at least built a team of young players that could be seen long before this season to be improving. What has Benitez built in his 4 years with the money spent is the question I'd be asking. And to be honest I'm not sure I can see a lot. Perhaps he has, but I'm not convinced!blurred wrote:Indeed, and you'll never quite know for sure. If not winning a league in 4 years is the way that these things are decided, then can we expect Wenger to be getting his P45 should Arsenal not do the business this season? Of course not, there's a lot more that comes into it (and far more than most of us will ever know, behind the scenes).BWFC_Insane wrote:Its fine sticking with a manager as long as they're the right one.
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Didn't Wenger do the Double in his first full season? There may be a comparison there with Benitez (who, despite joining this discussion, I don't despise) winning Big Cup. The thing is that in the fallow years following Arsenal's 1998 double there were definite signs of improvement, in the first team and the youth; beside signing Torres, is the same really true of your lot, Blurred?
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Indeed DSB, read my post above that must have been posted as you were writing this!Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Didn't Wenger do the Double in his first full season? There may be a comparison there with Benitez (who, despite joining this discussion, I don't despise) winning Big Cup. The thing is that in the fallow years following Arsenal's 1998 double there were definite signs of improvement, in the first team and the youth; beside signing Torres, is the same really true of your lot, Blurred?
Well we've won the FA Youth Cup the last two years on the spin, and Benitez has been undertaking a big overhaul of the youth side, signing up loads of players under 21 (and bags cheaper than Wenger's lot, with the exception of Babel). Whether any of them turn out to be half-decent in a couple of years time is anyone's guess, although a couple are showing promise, both for us and those that've been out on loan.Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Didn't Wenger do the Double in his first full season? There may be a comparison there with Benitez (who, despite joining this discussion, I don't despise) winning Big Cup. The thing is that in the fallow years following Arsenal's 1998 double there were definite signs of improvement, in the first team and the youth; beside signing Torres, is the same really true of your lot, Blurred?
As for signings who've taken the first team up a notch? Reina, Agger, Alonso, Mascherano are all waaaay ahead of what we had previously. Others have come and gone, but I think that the overall level of the team is far better than when he started (the likes of Igor Biscan and Djimi Traore were first teamers then, for instance). Unfortunately the level of our competitors has also increased!
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He has signed some decent players. But so would I given the money he's had. What he hasn't done is constructed a team and some of his signings have been sub-standard.blurred wrote:Well we've won the FA Youth Cup the last two years on the spin, and Benitez has been undertaking a big overhaul of the youth side, signing up loads of players under 21 (and bags cheaper than Wenger's lot, with the exception of Babel). Whether any of them turn out to be half-decent in a couple of years time is anyone's guess, although a couple are showing promise, both for us and those that've been out on loan.Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Didn't Wenger do the Double in his first full season? There may be a comparison there with Benitez (who, despite joining this discussion, I don't despise) winning Big Cup. The thing is that in the fallow years following Arsenal's 1998 double there were definite signs of improvement, in the first team and the youth; beside signing Torres, is the same really true of your lot, Blurred?
As for signings who've taken the first team up a notch? Reina, Agger, Alonso, Mascherano are all waaaay ahead of what we had previously. Others have come and gone, but I think that the overall level of the team is far better than when he started (the likes of Igor Biscan and Djimi Traore were first teamers then, for instance). Unfortunately the level of our competitors has also increased!
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At the risk of having 'blurred' add to his 3,600 posts on another teams site (it's me, isn't it ... I know it's me ... but isn't that just a bit odd ??) let's widen this a bit for a quick view on what turds the whole Liverpool club are, really, deep down ...
Nothing like respecting the grass roots, is there ?Liverpool rejected cash-strapped Luton's request to forgo their share of the gate receipts for Sunday's FA Cup third round tie. Luton, who are in administration, could go out of business on Monday.
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I don't normally get involved in these sort of threads but....bobo the clown wrote:At the risk of having 'blurred' add to his 3,600 posts on another teams site (it's me, isn't it ... I know it's me ... but isn't that just a bit odd ??) let's widen this a bit for a quick view on what turds the whole Liverpool club are, really, deep down ...
Nothing like respecting the grass roots, is there ?Liverpool rejected cash-strapped Luton's request to forgo their share of the gate receipts for Sunday's FA Cup third round tie. Luton, who are in administration, could go out of business on Monday.
If thats the case, then I hope some Gypsies curse condemns Liverpool to at least another decade without a league title.
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i can't slate liverpool for this. it would have been a remarkable gesture had they done it. but can't have a do for them not doing it.
look at the bigger picture. when would it stop? what if they got struggling lower league opposition in the next round? would they then be under pressure to defer their share for this as well? what about other so-called rich premiership clubs.
feel bad for luton but unfortunately it is becoming much more of a business this football lark and the business decision is to say no.
look at the bigger picture. when would it stop? what if they got struggling lower league opposition in the next round? would they then be under pressure to defer their share for this as well? what about other so-called rich premiership clubs.
feel bad for luton but unfortunately it is becoming much more of a business this football lark and the business decision is to say no.
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