Fans bunking in, getting in on fake tickets...

[communistworkethic]

any evidence that scousers weren't responsible for this?

And as someone who has helped non-ticket holders in to a ground, there might just be a hint of hypocrisy from you on this issue.

Any evidence that they are? Or perhaps you could just stop being a complete tool for a moment.

I'm not being hypocritical at all, I know it goes on at Liverpool games, I've witnessed it, read the stories, been in overcrowded stands; I'm fairly sure it goes on at just about every major club where supply wildly exceeds demand (whether it's people 'double-clicking', or passing back a ticket to be used again, bribing a steward or just finding other ways into the ground). I was merely pointing out that those darlings from Salford are no different, despite what the general media perceptions may be.

not hypocrisy,just a case of it's ok for you to create dangerous situation/ prevent genuine ticketholders seeing a game because someone else has doen the same?

no hypocrisy or bent logic at all.

You inferred mancs forged tickets with no evidence, other than victims were manc fans. You have no idea even where the people who are assumed to have entered the ground are from or where they bought the tickets or from whom either. No chance weegies flogged fakes outside the ground or duplicates were printed in error?

Who's the tool, me for pointing out you're as bad for being part of the problem and pointing the finger with no idea who's at fault, or you for doing those things?

[officer_dibble]

"I intend to do my utmost to follow this up with Celtic and seek some kind of compensation. I have been a United season ticket holder for 17 years.

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Where were you, Where were you, Where were you when you were sh!t!

[Bruce Rioja]

Ahem.

If I decided to make my living by investing in the requisite equipment to produce passable counterfeit tickets, then I'd make tickets for concerts and sports games, or indeed any event, whereby the demand for tickets exceeded the demand.

This'd be a money making venture and a money making venture alone.

I wouldn't give a shiny shite as to who sold the forged tickets on, nor as to who bought them in good faith.

It's hardly a one establishment or the other thang!

[communistworkethic]

Ahem.

If I decided to make my living by investing in the requisite equipment to produce passable counterfeit tickets, then I'd make tickets for concerts and sports games, or indeed any event, whereby the demand for tickets exceeded the demand.

indeed

[Bruce Rioja]

Ahem.

If I decided to make my living by investing in the requisite equipment to produce passable counterfeit tickets, then I'd make tickets for concerts and sports games, or indeed any event, whereby the demand for tickets exceeded the demand.

indeed

That's how rich I'd be.

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any evidence that scousers weren't responsible for this?

And as someone who has helped non-ticket holders in to a ground, there might just be a hint of hypocrisy from you on this issue.

Any evidence that they are? Or perhaps you could just stop being a complete tool for a moment.

I'm not being hypocritical at all, I know it goes on at Liverpool games, I've witnessed it, read the stories, been in overcrowded stands; I'm fairly sure it goes on at just about every major club where supply wildly exceeds demand (whether it's people 'double-clicking', or passing back a ticket to be used again, bribing a steward or just finding other ways into the ground). I was merely pointing out that those darlings from Salford are no different, despite what the general media perceptions may be.

not hypocrisy,just a case of it's ok for you to create dangerous situation/ prevent genuine ticketholders seeing a game because someone else has doen the same?

no hypocrisy or bent logic at all.

You inferred mancs forged tickets with no evidence, other than victims were manc fans. You have no idea even where the people who are assumed to have entered the ground are from or where they bought the tickets or from whom either. No chance weegies flogged fakes outside the ground or duplicates were printed in error?

Who's the tool, me for pointing out you're as bad for being part of the problem and pointing the finger with no idea who's at fault, or you for doing those things?

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You inferred mancs forged tickets with no evidence, other than victims were manc fans. You have no idea even where the people who are assumed to have entered the ground are from or where they bought the tickets or from whom either. No chance weegies flogged fakes outside the ground or duplicates were printed in error?

I'm not assuming there were forged tickets at all, as that's just one of the possible situations that I've postulated (the thread title was left open-ended, and I've mentioned the many methods that one can use to gain access to a stadium in this thread already), although it appears you are - people could have double-clicked, bunked in, bribed stewards or passed tickets back to be scanned/accepted again (I'm not sure of the precise method of ticket validation at Celtic Park I have to apologise, but the majority of grounds can be circumvented). There are plenty of ways to get into a ground and only one of them requires 'forgeries', which are typically much more difficult in this country than in many abroad. If it were that easy to forge tickets for Parkhead (or Anfield or Old Trafford or The Reebok), it'd be a problem every week, which, unsurprisingly, it isn't.

And duplicates printed in error? Have you ever tried to get a duplicate ticket as an away fan ever? Seriously. Do you think the ticket office at Celtic Park (or Old Trafford, or Anfield, or The Reebok) are in the habit of just randomly printing off more tickets to allow people entry to the stadium for a laugh? Do they do it willy nilly? Do they just not give a feck about the safety certificate? I've had to get duplicate tickets printed at Anfield before when match tickets had not shown up for a league game (before I was a season ticket holder), and I had to collect them from the ticket office, present with name and address ID, and I was taken by a steward from there to the Anny Road End and escorted to the turnstile. That was for a home league game.

Next time you go to an away game, I suggest you 'lose' your ticket, turn up at the opposition ticket office and tell them that your ticket didn't turn up and see how many 'duplicates' they're likely to print. Of course this ignores the fact that Man United were the away side in a Champions League tie, and typically as is a rule of away sides in Europe (and in the Premiership), getting a duplicate ticket printed is like finding rocking horse shit because the away side will supply the home side with their physical allocation of tickets and it is up to the home side to distribute them. If a bunch of your Atletico tickets the other year got lost, how much of a chance do you think you'd've got of Atletico printing out a handful of specific tickets that had been sold to Bolton fans that had got lost by Royal Mail? Even if you'd had proof that you'd bought and paid for them? This is why fans are advised to pick them up in person, or have them sent by recorded delivery, as duplicates can not be issued for CL games.

Who's the tool, me for pointing out you're as bad for being part of the problem and pointing the finger with no idea who's at fault, or you for doing those things?

Who's the tool? Perhaps you for not living in the real world and suggesting that Celtic perhaps made an 'admin error' and 'printed too many tickets', I believe it's called defending the indefensible. Amazing fecking coincidence that that happened with Man United, isn't it? Must've been a problem with the Glaswegians. Couldn't possibly be a problem with the Mancs. I'd say you're the tool, for talking of something that you obviously seem to know very little about. Take it from someone who's followed their side to more European away games than you, and has more experience in these matters. I know that this goes on, I've seen it first hand and know the tricks that can be and are employed. This was not some 'innocent error' on behalf of the Glaswegians, any more than Athens for us was 'a minor ticketing problem'. Head out of arse time, Commie.

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Ahem.

If I decided to make my living by investing in the requisite equipment to produce passable counterfeit tickets, then I'd make tickets for concerts and sports games, or indeed any event, whereby the demand for tickets exceeded the demand.

This'd be a money making venture and a money making venture alone.

I wouldn't give a shiny shite as to who sold the forged tickets on, nor as to who bought them in good faith.

It's hardly a one establishment or the other thang!

It's highly illegal, and for that reason I'm out

[communistworkethic]

You inferred mancs forged tickets with no evidence, other than victims were manc fans. You have no idea even where the people who are assumed to have entered the ground are from or where they bought the tickets or from whom either. No chance weegies flogged fakes outside the ground or duplicates were printed in error?

I'm not assuming there were forged tickets at all, as that's just one of the possible situations that I've postulated (the thread title was left open-ended, and I've mentioned the many methods that one can use to gain access to a stadium in this thread already), although it appears you are - people could have double-clicked, bunked in, bribed stewards or passed tickets back to be scanned/accepted again (I'm not sure of the precise method of ticket validation at Celtic Park I have to apologise, but the majority of grounds can be circumvented). There are plenty of ways to get into a ground and only one of them requires 'forgeries', which are typically much more difficult in this country than in many abroad. If it were that easy to forge tickets for Parkhead (or Anfield or Old Trafford or The Reebok), it'd be a problem every week, which, unsurprisingly, it isn't.

And duplicates printed in error? Have you ever tried to get a duplicate ticket as an away fan ever? Seriously. Do you think the ticket office at Celtic Park (or Old Trafford, or Anfield, or The Reebok) are in the habit of just randomly printing off more tickets to allow people entry to the stadium for a laugh? Do they do it willy nilly? Do they just not give a feck about the safety certificate? I've had to get duplicate tickets printed at Anfield before when match tickets had not shown up for a league game (before I was a season ticket holder), and I had to collect them from the ticket office, present with name and address ID, and I was taken by a steward from there to the Anny Road End and escorted to the turnstile. That was for a home league game.

Next time you go to an away game, I suggest you 'lose' your ticket, turn up at the opposition ticket office and tell them that your ticket didn't turn up and see how many 'duplicates' they're likely to print. Of course this ignores the fact that Man United were the away side in a Champions League tie, and typically as is a rule of away sides in Europe (and in the Premiership), getting a duplicate ticket printed is like finding rocking horse shit because the away side will supply the home side with their physical allocation of tickets and it is up to the home side to distribute them. If a bunch of your Atletico tickets the other year got lost, how much of a chance do you think you'd've got of Atletico printing out a handful of specific tickets that had been sold to Bolton fans that had got lost by Royal Mail? Even if you'd had proof that you'd bought and paid for them? This is why fans are advised to pick them up in person, or have them sent by recorded delivery, as duplicates can not be issued for CL games.

Who's the tool, me for pointing out you're as bad for being part of the problem and pointing the finger with no idea who's at fault, or you for doing those things?

Who's the tool? Perhaps you for not living in the real world and suggesting that Celtic perhaps made an 'admin error' and 'printed too many tickets', I believe it's called defending the indefensible. Amazing fecking coincidence that that happened with Man United, isn't it? Must've been a problem with the Glaswegians. Couldn't possibly be a problem with the Mancs. I'd say you're the tool, for talking of something that you obviously seem to know very little about. Take it from someone who's followed their side to more European away games than you, and has more experience in these matters. I know that this goes on, I've seen it first hand and know the tricks that can be and are employed. This was not some 'innocent error' on behalf of the Glaswegians, any more than Athens for us was 'a minor ticketing problem'. Head out of arse time, Commie.

yeah I think this proves it. tool. and a plastic scouse one at that, you even try and talk like them. hahahahahahahhahaha. the 'anny road' ar 'ey ar kid, dee do do dont de do.

jog on sunshine, if you're lucky your hair'd now long enough for a perm, £20 on a shelly down the market and your transformation will be complete.

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Good comeback. Bravo.

Let's all go down the Manchester Road to see the Burnden Aces, shall we? Nobody contracts anything ever, do they?

Prick.

[communistworkethic]

Good comeback. Bravo.

Let's all go down the Manchester Road to see the Burnden Aces, shall we? Nobody contracts anything ever, do they?

Prick.

the difference being a) I'm from bolton b) it's a song

i guess I'm good to retaliate on your "others do it, so it's ok for me" logic? You'd get off on the idea of being the victim too much though.

[Bruce Rioja]

Ahem.

If I decided to make my living by investing in the requisite equipment to produce passable counterfeit tickets, then I'd make tickets for concerts and sports games, or indeed any event, whereby the demand for tickets exceeded the demand.

This'd be a money making venture and a money making venture alone.

I wouldn't give a shiny shite as to who sold the forged tickets on, nor as to who bought them in good faith.

It's hardly a one establishment or the other thang!

It's highly illegal, and for that reason I'm out

Pah, keep your money then!

No, seriously, the point that I was trying to make to the pair of you is simply that it doesn't follow

(a) That forged tickets are produced by someone with any interest in the event whatsoever, and

(b) That they are bought by punters in anything other than good faith.

Quite how this has become a Scouse/Manc thing is ridiculous really.

[mofgimmers]

feck me. What's this slanging match all about.

By the reasoning of 'well, it could have been a scouser', it could well have been someone from Bolton or Slough or a wealthy Nigerian benefactor who has a covenant with God.

I think the underlying point of this story is this:

Isn't it funny that when something like this happens to ManUrinal fans, the media take the angle of 'and here are the victims'. If it was Liverpool fans they'd be dubbed as shady and up to no good. Something, which some Bolton fans are keen to promote, despite our bemoaning of the media being one-dimensional when it comes to us.