Religion rears it's ugly head in Glasgow again.....

[Montreal Wanderer]

I spent a lot of time 40-50 years ago odding around Scotland on various vacations (most often in Galloway). I loved the country, its history and the people I met, although I avoided the large urban areas. However, I get the impression that the Scotland I knew may have vanished. especially in regard to politics and the welcome that might be accorded to Sassenachs these days.

I'd be surprised MW. And even more so as you'll undoubtedly have a Canadian twang. In fact there's more chance of you being confused for American and getting some grief for that.

One thing though, if you're called Campbell, visiting the highlands to this day isn't the best of ideas, I was playing with a guy from my golf club, as English as they come, and he's in some bar up in the Highlands - south of Inverness - and he's getting along fine until someone discovers that he was called Campbell, apparently he wasn't the most popular of chaps thereafter.

My accent is probably mid-Atlantic - over here they say I have a pronounced English accent, while in the UK American has been annoyingly suggested. Fortunately my name is not Campbell, nor one associated with any dark episode in Scottish history - so I have been to Glencoe - indeed all the way up to Cape Wrath - with no untoward incidents. Mind you, up there there were not many people of any description.

[fatshaft]

Good man. I'm sure the welcome would still be as warm anyway.

Anyway, back on topic - Maradonna's press conference was a piece of class, told Butcher to grow up and get over it, and wondered why there was such a fuss when........well you know, that goal in 1966.

He'll be getting into the SFA Hall of Fame at this rate!

[William the White]

I spent a lot of time 40-50 years ago odding around Scotland on various vacations (most often in Galloway). I loved the country, its history and the people I met, although I avoided the large urban areas. However, I get the impression that the Scotland I knew may have vanished. especially in regard to politics and the welcome that might be accorded to Sassenachs these days.

I was in Galloway this 'summer'. Very welcoming reception from people obviously anxious about their livings as one drenched day followed the previous drenched day. Beautiful country. took forever to get there. and i now know where Queen of the South come from.

Won't go again though. Portugal warmer, drier, and cheaper.

[Worthy4England]

Good man. I'm sure the welcome would still be as warm anyway.

Anyway, back on topic - Maradonna's press conference was a piece of class, told Butcher to grow up and get over it, and wondered why there was such a fuss when........well you know, that goal in 1966.

He'll be getting into the SFA Hall of Fame at this rate!

Two different things:

One a legitimate move ending in a shot that the referee awarded as a goal, after consultation with his linesman.

The other a cheating bastard who deliberately handled the ball to gain an advantage over the opposition team.

As for the SFA Hall of Fame, he'd probably be the only fecker in it...

[Montreal Wanderer]

I spent a lot of time 40-50 years ago odding around Scotland on various vacations (most often in Galloway). I loved the country, its history and the people I met, although I avoided the large urban areas. However, I get the impression that the Scotland I knew may have vanished. especially in regard to politics and the welcome that might be accorded to Sassenachs these days.

I was in Galloway this 'summer'. Very welcoming reception from people obviously anxious about their livings as one drenched day followed the previous drenched day. Beautiful country. took forever to get there. and i now know where Queen of the South come from.

Won't go again though. Portugal warmer, drier, and cheaper.

I'm relieved to here things may not have changed as much as I expected from the shrill utterances of the SNP. Sorry about the weather though since that would put a damper on things (so to speak).

[Leyther_Matt]

I'm off to Motherwell-Hibs tomorrow MW so I will let you know if the reception is as frosty as the weather!

[William the White]

I'm off to Motherwell-Hibs tomorrow MW so I will let you know if the reception is as frosty as the weather!

Go Hibees

[Leyther_Matt]

I'm off to Motherwell-Hibs tomorrow MW so I will let you know if the reception is as frosty as the weather!

Go Hibees

Definitely

The Whites and Hibs both winning convincingly on the road in the same afternoon, I never thought I'd be alive to see the day!

Had a chap from Crewe on our train coming back from the game who was a lapsed Citeh fan but now watches Hibs most weeks and, like me, he'd never encountered any problems from being an Englishman at an SPL game. The religion thing must be a West Coast problem (and that was the impression I got from the handful of Rangers fans on our train with the Billy Boys chants etc).

[fatshaft]

I'm off to Motherwell-Hibs tomorrow MW so I will let you know if the reception is as frosty as the weather!

Go Hibees

Definitely

The Whites and Hibs both winning convincingly on the road in the same afternoon, I never thought I'd be alive to see the day!

Had a chap from Crewe on our train coming back from the game who was a lapsed Citeh fan but now watches Hibs most weeks and, like me, he'd never encountered any problems from being an Englishman at an SPL game. The religion thing must be a West Coast problem (and that was the impression I got from the handful of Rangers fans on our train with the Billy Boys chants etc).

Oh it is, despite attempts by both sides of the OF who claim that it's a Scottish thing, or to implicate us in some raging bias towards one or another.

[CAPSLOCK]

Apparently god's hand is in town or something?




Actually, in all seriousness, I'm sick to the fecking back teeth of reading, seeing and hearing about the hand of fecking god, it was 22 years ago ffs. You won a world cup with a goal that never was, maybe you know, karma and all that.

(I'm mainly ranting at the press btw, not you fine English fellows on this forum )

Aye. Your lot sacked York, but you still bang on about Longshanks in your 'National Anthem' and that was a damn site more than 22 years ago.

No offence, like

A very valid point, enfield. One minor correction - the 'proud Edward' in Scots Wha Hae is Edward II, not Longshanks his father. Of course those Scots now get their view of history from the noted Anglophile Mel Gibson.

Erm, no we don't. Flower of Scotland pre-dates Braveheart by a number of years

Not many, though

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

Ah, Scotland.

If only they had something to go on, rather than say "England cannae dee it cos they dinnae qualify" in their official '78 World Cup Song, or call themselves the 'unofficial world champions' after beating us in 1966 after we won the World Cup.

We're the obsessed ones, honest.

[Prufrock]

Bring back Hadrians wall.

England should charge an extra tax for all the Scotish imports living in our green and pleasent land.
The Scots may have won the odd battle we won the war!!!
Cut em off with their own cash and it will be Iceland all over again!

Mate, feck Hadrians wall, gotta go a few miles north after that to where the gingers finished up

[Prufrock]

As I have to ask, however ... is Scotland's so fecking marvelous how come so many of you live down here ??

It's to balance up those of us that live up there, otherwise the whole island will tip over and sink (a bit like that pleasure boat does when the Walker's lorry goes past).

That said, I'm sunning myself in Florida at the moment.

Like when all the Polish immigrants rolled up in southampton, and britain capsized, and we got Scottish folk in the south of France going

"whats that?"
"zat is ze sun?"
"aargh its hurting my eyes!"
"do not look straight at eet"
" a cannae help it, its amazing....i'm not eating thaat. Its got fruit in it."

[Manticore]

Apparently god's hand is in town or something?




Actually, in all seriousness, I'm sick to the fecking back teeth of reading, seeing and hearing about the hand of fecking god, it was 22 years ago ffs. You won a world cup with a goal that never was, maybe you know, karma and all that.

(I'm mainly ranting at the press btw, not you fine English fellows on this forum )

Aye. Your lot sacked York, but you still bang on about Longshanks in your 'National Anthem' and that was a damn site more than 22 years ago.

No offence, like

Their national anthem?

That'd be the British national anthem, wouldn't it?

Why do we never sing the second verse anymore? You know, that whole bit about "Rebellious Scots to crush...."

It never was part of the UK National Anthem, but whatever, it refers to Rebellious Scots, and anybody who knows anything knows that more Scots fought for the government than the rebels.

[Manticore]

Ah, Scotland.

If only they had something to go on, rather than say "England cannae dee it cos they dinnae qualify" in their official '78 World Cup Song, or call themselves the 'unofficial world champions' after beating us in 1966 after we won the World Cup.

We're the obsessed ones, honest.

It was 1967 when we beat you.

But otherwise, yes, it's a bit cringeworthy when the Tartan Trannies imagine that we are your big rivals

[Hoboh]

Give the b*ggers independance in the words of Arnie;

"They'll be back"

[fatshaft]

Apparently god's hand is in town or something?




Actually, in all seriousness, I'm sick to the fecking back teeth of reading, seeing and hearing about the hand of fecking god, it was 22 years ago ffs. You won a world cup with a goal that never was, maybe you know, karma and all that.

(I'm mainly ranting at the press btw, not you fine English fellows on this forum )

Aye. Your lot sacked York, but you still bang on about Longshanks in your 'National Anthem' and that was a damn site more than 22 years ago.

No offence, like

A very valid point, enfield. One minor correction - the 'proud Edward' in Scots Wha Hae is Edward II, not Longshanks his father. Of course those Scots now get their view of history from the noted Anglophile Mel Gibson.

Erm, no we don't. Flower of Scotland pre-dates Braveheart by a number of years

Not many, though

28 years is a fair number, how many isn't really the point though, Flower of Scotland didn;t come into being on the back of Mel Gibson's appalling distortion of Scottish history, it had already been around for some time.

Ah, Scotland.

If only they had something to go on, rather than say "England cannae dee it cos they dinnae qualify" in their official '78 World Cup Song, or call themselves the 'unofficial world champions' after beating us in 1966 after we won the World Cup.

We're the obsessed ones, honest.

The difference there was we did that for a couple of years, if that, and it was always a wind up. Meanwhile you're still bleating on about a foul that wasn't given 20 years later.

[fatshaft]

Apparently god's hand is in town or something?




Actually, in all seriousness, I'm sick to the fecking back teeth of reading, seeing and hearing about the hand of fecking god, it was 22 years ago ffs. You won a world cup with a goal that never was, maybe you know, karma and all that.

(I'm mainly ranting at the press btw, not you fine English fellows on this forum )

Aye. Your lot sacked York, but you still bang on about Longshanks in your 'National Anthem' and that was a damn site more than 22 years ago.

No offence, like

Their national anthem?

That'd be the British national anthem, wouldn't it?

Why do we never sing the second verse anymore? You know, that whole bit about "Rebellious Scots to crush...."

It never was part of the UK National Anthem, but whatever, it refers to Rebellious Scots, and anybody who knows anything knows that more Scots fought for the government than the rebels.

So the verse in question isn't actually in the song? How do you work that one out? The verse is there, always has been. Also, there were no "rebels", there were Scots fighting the English, with many Scots fighting on the side of the English, but they sure weren't fighting against their own government, so could hardly have been rebelling.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Apparently god's hand is in town or something?




Actually, in all seriousness, I'm sick to the fecking back teeth of reading, seeing and hearing about the hand of fecking god, it was 22 years ago ffs. You won a world cup with a goal that never was, maybe you know, karma and all that.

(I'm mainly ranting at the press btw, not you fine English fellows on this forum )

Aye. Your lot sacked York, but you still bang on about Longshanks in your 'National Anthem' and that was a damn site more than 22 years ago.

No offence, like

Their national anthem?

That'd be the British national anthem, wouldn't it?

Why do we never sing the second verse anymore? You know, that whole bit about "Rebellious Scots to crush...."

It never was part of the UK National Anthem, but whatever, it refers to Rebellious Scots, and anybody who knows anything knows that more Scots fought for the government than the rebels.

So the verse in question isn't actually in the song? How do you work that one out? The verse is there, always has been. Also, there were no "rebels", there were Scots fighting the English, with many Scots fighting on the side of the English, but they sure weren't fighting against their own government, so could hardly have been rebelling.

The verse in question appears never to have been part of the National Anthem and the Scots in question were certainly rebelling against their lawful monarch (since 1603) and their lawful government since the Act of Union in 1707 (passed by the Parliament of Scotland). The verse enjoyed some brief vogue in 1745 and the song did not become the National Anthem for another 40 years when that verse had disappeared. As Wikipedia recounts the chronolgy:

Around 1745, the anti-Jacobite sentiment was captured in a fourth verse, with a prayer for the success of Field Marshal George Wade's army then assembling at Newcastle. These words attained some short-term popularity, although they did not appear in the published version in Gentleman's Magazine:

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.

This verse was abandoned soon after, and certainly before the song became accepted as the UK national anthem in the 1780s and 1790s