Aaron Ramsey

[Hoboh]

Without having any "facts" to hand, just working off instinct, it does seem we get more fractures and serious mucle tears/pulls in the last few years on the pitch than in the days of old when tackles used to be about a week late in some instances.
Anyone have any thing on this? I seem to remember "Boots" being blamed for some of the injuries, you sure as hell didn't want a kick with the old steel toe bungers we wore even at school boy level.

Weren't the spate of metatarsal injuries around when Beckham did his blamed on the new "thinner boots"? But it was more of an "I reckon" than any real evidence.

I certainly don't recall as many injuries in the past BUT is it that the level of reporting was just different. Now any major or even semi-serious injury is all over the news. In the past the first you heard about it was when they weren't in the team for a few weeks!

If there are more injuries it'll be down to the pace and intensity that football is now played at.

I'd take pace but intensity? the only intensive J Charlton, N Hunter, Chopper Harris, Ron Yeats knew was at the local hospital!

[BWFC_Insane]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

You could see that on MOTD without any of the investigative NOTW "insider scoop" stuff.

That is indeed what caused the injury BUT without the contact at worst he'd have twisted his knee!

Not that it was intentional though.

[boltonboris]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard that, but it turns out that the still image was from just after the contact. You'd expect so anyway, unless he has brittle bone disease, his leg isn't going to snap in 2 because he planted his foot into the ground

[BWFC_Insane]

Without having any "facts" to hand, just working off instinct, it does seem we get more fractures and serious mucle tears/pulls in the last few years on the pitch than in the days of old when tackles used to be about a week late in some instances.
Anyone have any thing on this? I seem to remember "Boots" being blamed for some of the injuries, you sure as hell didn't want a kick with the old steel toe bungers we wore even at school boy level.

Weren't the spate of metatarsal injuries around when Beckham did his blamed on the new "thinner boots"? But it was more of an "I reckon" than any real evidence.

I certainly don't recall as many injuries in the past BUT is it that the level of reporting was just different. Now any major or even semi-serious injury is all over the news. In the past the first you heard about it was when they weren't in the team for a few weeks!

If there are more injuries it'll be down to the pace and intensity that football is now played at.

I'd take pace but intensity? the only intensive J Charlton, N Hunter, Chopper Harris, Ron Yeats knew was at the local hospital!

Yes but the intensity you are referring to different isn't it? People go flying into tackles at full speed and cover large amounts of ground quickly, it leaves people more prone to injuries like hamstrings, knee injuries etc. I didn't mean people were "less intense" in the tackle but generally the game is quicker and you don't get players Berbatov excepted, pausing for a fag break anymore!

[Hoboh]

Without having any "facts" to hand, just working off instinct, it does seem we get more fractures and serious mucle tears/pulls in the last few years on the pitch than in the days of old when tackles used to be about a week late in some instances.
Anyone have any thing on this? I seem to remember "Boots" being blamed for some of the injuries, you sure as hell didn't want a kick with the old steel toe bungers we wore even at school boy level.

Weren't the spate of metatarsal injuries around when Beckham did his blamed on the new "thinner boots"? But it was more of an "I reckon" than any real evidence.

I certainly don't recall as many injuries in the past BUT is it that the level of reporting was just different. Now any major or even semi-serious injury is all over the news. In the past the first you heard about it was when they weren't in the team for a few weeks!

If there are more injuries it'll be down to the pace and intensity that football is now played at.

I'd take pace but intensity? the only intensive J Charlton, N Hunter, Chopper Harris, Ron Yeats knew was at the local hospital!

Yes but the intensity you are referring to different isn't it? People go flying into tackles at full speed and cover large amounts of ground quickly, it leaves people more prone to injuries like hamstrings, knee injuries etc. I didn't mean people were "less intense" in the tackle but generally the game is quicker and you don't get players Berbatov excepted, pausing for a fag break anymore!

Eddie Hopkinson and a cigar at the Great Lever end springs to mind here

[rockthereebok]

Without having any "facts" to hand, just working off instinct, it does seem we get more fractures and serious mucle tears/pulls in the last few years on the pitch than in the days of old when tackles used to be about a week late in some instances.
Anyone have any thing on this? I seem to remember "Boots" being blamed for some of the injuries, you sure as hell didn't want a kick with the old steel toe bungers we wore even at school boy level.

I think there's a physical aspect to it as well. The fitter you are the more likely you are to tear/pull something. As for the breaks, perhaps players move more quickly and are better built meaning they exert more force upon impact. The former I think is well accepted, the latter is just a theory.

[jimbo]

Without having any "facts" to hand, just working off instinct, it does seem we get more fractures and serious mucle tears/pulls in the last few years on the pitch than in the days of old when tackles used to be about a week late in some instances.
Anyone have any thing on this? I seem to remember "Boots" being blamed for some of the injuries, you sure as hell didn't want a kick with the old steel toe bungers we wore even at school boy level.

I think there's a physical aspect to it as well. The fitter you are the more likely you are to tear/pull something. As for the breaks, perhaps players move more quickly and are better built meaning they exert more force upon impact. The former I think is well accepted, the latter is just a theory.

The latter is a theory that is mentioned in different sports, in particular rugby. It's based on simple logic, that if 2 things colliding are heavier and faster they will exert more damage on each other. It's been used to explain the number of injuries in those sports, so why not football? You only have to watch footage of games from 40 years ago and the difference in the pace of the game is notable compared to nowadays, leaving modern day players more open to strains and pull.s

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard that, but it turns out that the still image was from just after the contact. You'd expect so anyway, unless he has brittle bone disease, his leg isn't going to snap in 2 because he planted his foot into the ground

Yes it could. I believe Djibril Cisse and Henrik Larsson broke their legs from impact after twisting their feet in the turf and their leg just giving way.

It's rare, but it's possible.

[CAPSLOCK]

Anyway, at least its got Bridge n Terry off the radio, so it's not all bad

[boltonboris]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard that, but it turns out that the still image was from just after the contact. You'd expect so anyway, unless he has brittle bone disease, his leg isn't going to snap in 2 because he planted his foot into the ground

Yes it could. I believe Djibril Cisse and Henrik Larsson broke their legs from impact after twisting their feet in the turf and their leg just giving way.

It's rare, but it's possible.

Larsson's came about after being (accidentally) kicked in the calf, sprinting for the ball alongside a defender.

Cisse's, I assume you mean the one during his time at Liverpool, rather than one v China. Came about exactly the same way as the one above

[Lord Kangana]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard that, but it turns out that the still image was from just after the contact. You'd expect so anyway, unless he has brittle bone disease, his leg isn't going to snap in 2 because he planted his foot into the ground

Yes it could. I believe Djibril Cisse and Henrik Larsson broke their legs from impact after twisting their feet in the turf and their leg just giving way.

It's rare, but it's possible.

I've smashed my ankle to bits doing the very same, so yes.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

Larsson's came about after being (accidentally) kicked in the calf, sprinting for the ball alongside a defender.

Cisse's, I assume you mean the one during his time at Liverpool, rather than one v China. Came about exactly the same way as the one above

I stand corrected on the examples I gave. But it can happen. It's much more common that the knee ligaments go without extrinsic force, and it's slightly more (in that it happens less than ligament damange) common that dislocations can happen. But a leg break is one of a handful of injuries that can be classed as both an overuse injury as well as an extrinsic injury.

[dave1980]

Larsson's came about after being (accidentally) kicked in the calf, sprinting for the ball alongside a defender.

Cisse's, I assume you mean the one during his time at Liverpool, rather than one v China. Came about exactly the same way as the one above

I stand corrected on the examples I gave. But it can happen. It's much more common that the knee ligaments go without extrinsic force, and it's slightly more (in that it happens less than ligament damange) common that dislocations can happen. But a leg break is one of a handful of injuries that can be classed as both an overuse injury as well as an extrinsic injury.

Didn't Le Saux break his leg in this way? i.e got his boot stuck in the turf

[Bruce Rioja]

Quite annoyed, amazing player... and welsh... hopefully he can return soon to help towards the Euros!!!

Has the exchange rate improved then?

Why? Ave you change for a Tom Jones twenteeeeeeey?

[nobby7]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard that, but it turns out that the still image was from just after the contact. You'd expect so anyway, unless he has brittle bone disease, his leg isn't going to snap in 2 because he planted his foot into the ground

if you look at the photo they showed on motd, even before shawcross has hit his leg, ramsey was already going over on his ankle(i.e. twisting it, not breaking like you say above), meaning his leg was in a very vulnerable position for any impact. had shawcross not hit him he would have still twisted his ankle, but given the vulnerable position his leg was in due to it already twisting, the impact led to a very serious injury. Had he not have been twisting his ankle already just before the contact, then it is possible that an injury of this magnitude may not have happened....it was just a very unfortunate series of events and i have no doubt there was no malice in the tackle. and as for the reaction of wenger, fabreags and campbell....lets be real if someone did that to one of your team mates in sunday league match you'd go apeshit....course they're going to react when they can see their team-mate and friend in that state!

[as]

I heard talk on the radio this morning that a News of the Screws 'photo showed Ramsey's foot planted and his leg at angle to his foot BEFORE Shawcross' impact which means his boots (blades) could have contributed significantly to the injury.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard that, but it turns out that the still image was from just after the contact. You'd expect so anyway, unless he has brittle bone disease, his leg isn't going to snap in 2 because he planted his foot into the ground

Yes it could. I believe Djibril Cisse and Henrik Larsson broke their legs from impact after twisting their feet in the turf and their leg just giving way.

It's rare, but it's possible.

I've smashed my ankle to bits doing the very same, so yes.

That diet of kebabs & chips did put a great strain on yer legs, to be fair

[Lord Kangana]

Not when you're 15 it doesn't!

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

Not until you're on your 15th of the day, it doesn't!

[Verbal]

F*ck me, seems like Shawcross broke Arsenal fans' record, too.