Megson Watch

[bristol_Wanderer3]

I don't know hoboh, but someone needs to set that lot on Owlstalk straight. They keep quoting Sir Notrite's version of War and Peace and claiming its evidence that the majority of Wanderers fans didn't hate him and his very shit football.

This.

It is cruel to give them such an olive branch, when the reality is that they have appointed someone who just doesn't undertand the modern game or player - and was always pretty average at best when hard work without talent or brains could get you further than today.

FWIW - I tried to register to give them another BWFC viewpoint, but by the time I had entered the validation code the information they gave me had lapsed - and it wasn't important enough for me to try again.

Please do, they'll tell you where to go with your inept one sided views. You won't have the usual flock backing you up there.

Blimey, I could write so much in response to this, but I will try to keep it brief.

You say over there that (paraphrasing here) you would gladly take Mesgson over Coyle, and that whilst Megson is not a motivator, Megson is a far superior tacitician and has a far better eye for a player. You would like Megson to "fininshed what he started" here. Some questions:

a.) Lets start with the obvious one: Aren't we 7th in the league and in the semi-finals of the cup with pretty much the same players, compared to 18th in the league and never having had a deep cup run under Sir Gary? So as a BWFC fan why would you therefore take Megson over Coyle? And surely finishing what he started, given that his league record here is 16th, 13th, and 18th at the point he left, surely means relegation. Is that what you meant - you would like to see us relegated?

b.) Lets talk about being a better tactician. Can you please provide evidence that Megson is a better tactician than Coyle? I don't think that Coyle is actually a great tactician, but Megson is THE worst I have seen - given his tactics invariably start and end with running around a lot, and after a few inevitable defeats, it always descends into "right, it's a backs to the walls exercise now", meaning "I am going to pack the team full of defenders and try to nick a 1-0".

c.) Megson did buy reasonably well here. Elmander, Cahill, Knight, Steinsson, Taylor, Lee, Muamba, Ricketts, Robinson don't look bad buys - some are excellent buys. We won't talk too much about Shittu, Riga, Makakula who are amongst the worst players ever to wear the right shirt. But lets talk about how good a buy some of those players were at the point of him leaving. Elmander - looked a total waste of £8.2m and was useless. Knight was a dithering disaster of a centre half. Steinsson despite having a good previous season was out of the team. Ricketts looked a poor right back. Robinson ditto. Muamba was a headless chicken who couldn't pass a ball. Taylor looked disillusioned and had lost all his form. Cahill had descended into a error prone defender. Our defence was conceding two goals a game, the quality of football was terrible. Yes he bought decent players, but used them so negligently that he was destroying their careers, and wasting the clubs money. Would you agree? I suspect not, but please post this on Owlstalk if you will, as an alternative viewpoint to the one you have presented.

d.) Something that you and Megson always incorrectly state; that the fans didn't give him a chance from day one. So untrue. Yes, nobody wanted him appointed, yes a minority fans booed him from the beginning. But the vast majority, including myself, were extremely supportive, despite having little to get excited about, until the start of last season, when he spent a whole load of money the club didn't have buying defenders when we needed attackers. Want to refute this?

I actually don't particularly want Sheff Wednesday to rise back up to the Prem, the more big clubs out of the Prem the better as far as I am concerned. Therefore in one sense I am happy for you to keep misleading the Wednesday fans as you are. I do feel desperately sorry them though - they don't deserve Megson, or your cock-eyed viewpoint!

Anyway, must dash, got some cup semi-final tickets to think about - and you no doubt are doing a bit of scouting on Colchester's main attributes. They have only scored 14 goals in 19 away games, so say just seven defensive players for this one?

EDIT - Ok i admit to a total fail on the brevity quest. Couldn't help myself!

[officer_dibble]

Listen we'll see where we are in about 3 seasons and we'll see where Sheff Wednesday are in 3 seasons, you'll then eat your words. A Motivator can only take you so far.

I just had to quote this.

Can't see Megson seeing the season out to be honest.

And if Coyle is but a motivator.....its 1 up on Megson!

[malcd1]

I think he also fails to mention that the master tactician with these fantastic players had only won 5 league games in 28 matches. That is not only relegation form but it would put us 4 points adrift of 19th place in the current league.

That is why nobby Megson was sacked.

Also, that great season under the red tossers leadership, when we finished 13th, we only had 41 points. That is one point more than we have now with 8 games to play and we are in the semi final of the FA Cup.

Please bring Megson back and lets get rid of Owen Coyle.

[Prufrock]

That's what makes it ludicrous. There are parts of Megson's reign that stand up to scrutiny in terms of him doing his job. Trying, however, to compare him favourably to Coyle is a lose lose lose lose situation. The main defence of GM was his signings, who were often good, but Holden Wilshere Wheater Sturridge, at point fook all percent of the cost blow even that one away.

[Lord Kangana]

Its in the f*cking Sun admittedly, but i still had to chuckle...

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[malcd1]

That's what makes it ludicrous. There are parts of Megson's reign that stand up to scrutiny in terms of him doing his job. Trying, however, to compare him favourably to Coyle is a lose lose lose lose situation. The main defence of GM was his signings, who were often good, but Holden Wilshere Wheater Sturridge, at point fook all percent of the cost blow even that one away.

I personally think his signings were OK but there were 3 stand-out one: Cahill, Lee and Mark Davies.

There were quite a few fairly good ones that we either paid full price for or even over the top: Muamba, Knight, Steinsson, Taylor.

Then there just as many who were terrible or have been very poor value: Shittu, Riga, Elmander

Tamir Cohen
Gretar Steinsson - 3.5M
Matt Taylor 4m-ish
Gary Cahill - £4.5M
Grzegorz Rasiak - Loan
Fabrice Muamba - 5M
Johan Elmander - £11M
Mustafa Riga - Free
Danny Shittu -£2-2.5m
Ebi Smolarek - Loan
Sebastien Puygrenier - Loan
Ariza Makukula - Loan
Mark Davies - £1m-ish
Sean Davis - Free
Paul Robinson - Loan
Zat Knight - 4M
Sam Ricketts - 2.5M
Lee-Chung-Yong - 2.2M
Ivan Klasnic - Loan

Of course Megson had no idea how to get the best out of his signings - good or bad.

[hisroyalgingerness]

The only defence of Megson is that he bought decent players. But it doesn't wash with me as he might have brought them but he still didn't know how to get the best out of them.

Anyway, I thought BWFC Nut wanted his account closing on Weds night. Shouldn't we respect his wishes?

[Lord Kangana]

My recollection was that Taylor and Cahill were both over £5m, but thats by-the-by. We also ended up paying a fee for Robinson, although that was under Coyle. To me that speaks volumes of the man. None of the "we're bottom of the League" bullshit, "i need my own team or I'll take my ball home" childish bollox, just a determination to work with what he's got and improve it. Which he has

Cut back a couple of years. I agree that in Cahill, Lee and Davies he brought us some good players. But the idea that he was good in the transfer market has been hugely overstated. Even the need to overhaul lie that he propagates is nonsense. He needed some sensible buys to replace the older end of our squad, but with Anelka, Davies, Diouf, Jussi, Nolan and a few other players who had already been involved in our 4 top-eight seasons, it needed a few choice additions, not a total re-think.

[bobo the clown]

The only defence of Megson is that he bought decent players. But it doesn't wash with me as he might have brought them but he still didn't know how to get the best out of them.

Anyway, I thought BWFC Nut wanted his account closing on Weds night. Shouldn't we respect his wishes?

Fine point, oh red-topped one.

I did think "where is he ?" during his self imposed absence. It didn't take many of his new posts to get me to realise that "beware what you wish for" is a phrase to live by.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Leave him - it'll be amusing to see him revisit the site every now and then

[seanworth]

Leave him - it'll be amusing to see him revisit the site every now and then

Same here. I enjoy a visit by him every other month or so purely for entertainment purposes. Everyday, well that was a bit much. Right now he is still able to visit SW sites, but not sure how much longer he will be welcome there.

[Hoboh]

I may pay them a visit later

[Lord Kangana]

Send our regards, and give 'em a link to this thread!

[Zulus Thousand of em]

They're all over the moon tonight. It's their turning point and they can't wait for next season under Meggo, after he's woven his magic in the transfer market. They seem to place an unhealthy amount of faith in the ramblings of Sir Notright. Tossers.

Anyway here are the thoughts of Chairman Ginger, as shared with BBC Radio Sheffield.

"I made some, what I think were big decisions and really had to give them a lot of thought on the players that we started with, because I wanted honesty, I wanted effort, I wanted commitment and a good attitude. They might not be the best 11 players on the ball that started, but your starting point has to be just honesty and you know what you're getting. The team was picked today just on getting 11 individuals out there that are honest, that I know will give it their best for Sheffield Wednesday."

As someone observed, so presciently in the West Ham thread, it's the hope that kills you.

[ebby]

do you think he wants some honesty from his players?

[Verbal]

he is probably the most egotistical manager around, Six 'I's in that paragraph alone!

Especially when compared to his language when in defeat. All 'they' and 'them'...

[Hoboh]

They're all over the moon tonight. It's their turning point and they can't wait for next season under Meggo, after he's woven his magic in the transfer market. They seem to place an unhealthy amount of faith in the ramblings of Sir Notright. Tossers.

Anyway here are the thoughts of Chairman Ginger, as shared with BBC Radio Sheffield.

"I made some, what I think were big decisions and really had to give them a lot of thought on the players that we started with, because I wanted honesty, I wanted effort, I wanted commitment and a good attitude. They might not be the best 11 players on the ball that started, but your starting point has to be just honesty and you know what you're getting. The team was picked today just on getting 11 individuals out there that are honest, that I know will give it their best for Sheffield Wednesday."

As someone observed, so presciently in the West Ham thread, it's the hope that kills you.

Not quite "putting in a shift" but its the start. Poor beggars waiting for Megsons transfers to start, I hope they don't expect tiaras

[Lord Kangana]

They might not be the best 11 players on the ball?

Course they f*cking well weren't, its Gary Megson picking the team.

[seanworth]

Probably one of those back to the wall performances that we used to give. The problem they will find out is why are their backs to the wall so often.

[Bwfc Nut]

I don't know hoboh, but someone needs to set that lot on Owlstalk straight. They keep quoting Sir Notrite's version of War and Peace and claiming its evidence that the majority of Wanderers fans didn't hate him and his very shit football.

This.

It is cruel to give them such an olive branch, when the reality is that they have appointed someone who just doesn't undertand the modern game or player - and was always pretty average at best when hard work without talent or brains could get you further than today.

FWIW - I tried to register to give them another BWFC viewpoint, but by the time I had entered the validation code the information they gave me had lapsed - and it wasn't important enough for me to try again.

Please do, they'll tell you where to go with your inept one sided views. You won't have the usual flock backing you up there.

Blimey, I could write so much in response to this, but I will try to keep it brief.

You say over there that (paraphrasing here) you would gladly take Mesgson over Coyle, and that whilst Megson is not a motivator, Megson is a far superior tacitician and has a far better eye for a player. You would like Megson to "fininshed what he started" here. Some questions:

a.) Lets start with the obvious one: Aren't we 7th in the league and in the semi-finals of the cup with pretty much the same players, compared to 18th in the league and never having had a deep cup run under Sir Gary? So as a BWFC fan why would you therefore take Megson over Coyle? And surely finishing what he started, given that his league record here is 16th, 13th, and 18th at the point he left, surely means relegation. Is that what you meant - you would like to see us relegated?

b.) Lets talk about being a better tactician. Can you please provide evidence that Megson is a better tactician than Coyle? I don't think that Coyle is actually a great tactician, but Megson is THE worst I have seen - given his tactics invariably start and end with running around a lot, and after a few inevitable defeats, it always descends into "right, it's a backs to the walls exercise now", meaning "I am going to pack the team full of defenders and try to nick a 1-0".

c.) Megson did buy reasonably well here. Elmander, Cahill, Knight, Steinsson, Taylor, Lee, Muamba, Ricketts, Robinson don't look bad buys - some are excellent buys. We won't talk too much about Shittu, Riga, Makakula who are amongst the worst players ever to wear the right shirt. But lets talk about how good a buy some of those players were at the point of him leaving. Elmander - looked a total waste of £8.2m and was useless. Knight was a dithering disaster of a centre half. Steinsson despite having a good previous season was out of the team. Ricketts looked a poor right back. Robinson ditto. Muamba was a headless chicken who couldn't pass a ball. Taylor looked disillusioned and had lost all his form. Cahill had descended into a error prone defender. Our defence was conceding two goals a game, the quality of football was terrible. Yes he bought decent players, but used them so negligently that he was destroying their careers, and wasting the clubs money. Would you agree? I suspect not, but please post this on Owlstalk if you will, as an alternative viewpoint to the one you have presented.

d.) Something that you and Megson always incorrectly state; that the fans didn't give him a chance from day one. So untrue. Yes, nobody wanted him appointed, yes a minority fans booed him from the beginning. But the vast majority, including myself, were extremely supportive, despite having little to get excited about, until the start of last season, when he spent a whole load of money the club didn't have buying defenders when we needed attackers. Want to refute this?

I actually don't particularly want Sheff Wednesday to rise back up to the Prem, the more big clubs out of the Prem the better as far as I am concerned. Therefore in one sense I am happy for you to keep misleading the Wednesday fans as you are. I do feel desperately sorry them though - they don't deserve Megson, or your cock-eyed viewpoint!

Anyway, must dash, got some cup semi-final tickets to think about - and you no doubt are doing a bit of scouting on Colchester's main attributes. They have only scored 14 goals in 19 away games, so say just seven defensive players for this one?

EDIT - Ok i admit to a total fail on the brevity quest. Couldn't help myself!

Please Please Please! Start a thread on owlstalk and put that up there, i absoloutley beg you!

1 You would get slated by them
2 You wouldnt have your bum boys to twist it and try and back you up
3 i Will hammer that post in to the ground

Please do it! I promise a reply.