Euro Championships 2016

[BWFC_Insane]

It is very English to accept mediocrity and brave failure rather striving and demanding more.

Gee, what a perfect world you live in mate. Football's a sport and a game of chance. If it worked to strict guidelines why bother competing? England (us) are just another team who go out and do their best, try to win etc. Being human, all teams make mistakes, errors of judgement, wrong decisions etc. It's called life. There is no perfcet world where we have a divine right to win everything. As a small nation we do pretty well generally. We won the cricket test series and whacked the Oz at rugby only this weekend. Get behind the team instead of ever knocking them......or let me know who's going to win and I'll nip down the bookies....

This was about pundits not doing their job, but whatever...

Small nation? Eh? Population puts England above Spain, just below Italy and France.

I'm not knocking the team, I'm knocking a culture that has developed that thinks winning 3 tournament games in 10 years is not something that needs looking at.

I don't expect us to win this. Spain, France, Germany are all well ahead of us I suspect. But I do think not making the quarters will be failure and really we should get to the semis.

To ignore what went wrong against Russia because we put in a decent performance is just the mentality of a loser. Address what went on and fix it, win the Wales game and move on.

[Hoboh]

It is very English to accept mediocrity and brave failure rather striving and demanding more.

Gee, what a perfect world you live in mate. Football's a sport and a game of chance. If it worked to strict guidelines why bother competing? England (us) are just another team who go out and do their best, try to win etc. Being human, all teams make mistakes, errors of judgement, wrong decisions etc. It's called life. There is no perfcet world where we have a divine right to win everything. As a small nation we do pretty well generally. We won the cricket test series and whacked the Oz at rugby only this weekend. Get behind the team instead of ever knocking them......or let me know who's going to win and I'll nip down the bookies....

This was about pundits not doing their job, but whatever...

Small nation? Eh? Population puts England above Spain, just below Italy and France.

I'm not knocking the team, I'm knocking a culture that has developed that thinks winning 3 tournament games in 10 years is not something that needs looking at.

I don't expect us to win this. Spain, France, Germany are all well ahead of us I suspect. But I do think not making the quarters will be failure and really we should get to the semis.

To ignore what went wrong against Russia because we put in a decent performance is just the mentality of a loser. Address what went on and fix it, win the Wales game and move on.

Aye and given the choice of some it will be larger before very long!!

[Bruce Rioja]

Well I'm glad that the world cup after next isn't going to anywhere trapped in the dark ages.

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[BWFC_Insane]

Well I'm glad that the world cup after next isn't going to anywhere trapped in the dark ages.

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And in a country not fit to hold it.

Bid on the basis it was during the summer with "air conditioned" stadia, then changed to a winter bloody tournament.

Absolute nonsense. World cups should be held in countries that have the proper infrastructure already to support them, not handed round like candy to countries with no football culture, an unsuitable climate and inadequate facilities.

It is bollocks.

[TANGODANCER]

To ignore what went wrong against Russia because we put in a decent performance is just the mentality of a loser. Address what went on and fix it, win the Wales game and move on.

Mentality of a loser? We didn't win a game of football because we were unlucky. We didn't even lose it, just drew. We dominated the Russians and this was a better England team that we've had for years. You take pessimism to a whole new level mate.

[BWFC_Insane]

To ignore what went wrong against Russia because we put in a decent performance is just the mentality of a loser. Address what went on and fix it, win the Wales game and move on.

Mentality of a loser? We didn't win a game of football because we were unlucky. We didn't even lose it, just drew. We dominated the Russians and this was a better England team that we've had for years. You take pessimism to a whole new level mate.

Pessimism? Not ignoring the issue isn't pessimism, it is the very opposite. You could (and some did) have viewed some of Bolton's early season performances as unlucky, missed chances, punished by teams creating far less, but that is football. That's the game. Loads kept saying "it'll turn". These things don't happen by themselves, you have to learn and correct the mistakes. I think England will win their next two group games. They certainly should do looking at the quality of our side compared to the opposition. But then we definitely should have beaten Russia on the day as they were dreadful.

To say England played well is true. But also to say they were just unlucky and there was nothing they could do is not the case is it? There was plenty we could and should have done that may well have seen us win the game.

[TANGODANCER]

^^ Aye, whatever. Come on Wales, let's get the lads home.

[KeyserSoze]

[Prufrock]

Meh, not sure that is what pundits are for actually. That article cites Clough as an example of what is needed, yet he famously hated the constant analysis saying people watch football to be entertained.

There's a difference between Lee Dixon saying it happens and the coaching staff doing the same. There's a mistake from Milner but no horror show. It was the kind of goal that happens sometimes in the chaos after the set piece. I'd rather they talked about the cleverness of the big Russian to get on the back of Danny Rose.

I also think it's weird as fcuk that there's a piece in a local paper criticising the commentary of itv on an international event.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ Aye, whatever. Come on Wales, let's get the lads home.

From the Preston thread:

Facts that don't matter, if you lose:
Playing well ...irrelevant
Being unlucky..irrelevant
Possession.......irrelevant
Near misses, hitting woodwork etc...irrelevant.
Not being injured..irrelevant.

Scoring.......relevant.
Winning....most relevant.

[TANGODANCER]

^^ Aye, about Bolton Wanderers, not England. I'm not the one moaning...

[Harry Genshaw]

That's quite beautiful - sniff

[TANGODANCER]

Just warming up for Spain v Czech Rep.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ Aye, about Bolton Wanderers, not England. I'm not the one moaning...

Not moaning. Just wanting them to reach potential and not use the same excuses we've heard in the past. We need a good tournament for a change.

[TANGODANCER]

Good result for the Republic drawing 1-1 with Sweden after hitting the bar and sending a couple very near. . Spain made hard work of the Czechs and left it late. It could have gone either way based on chances. Italy and Belgium now.

[Worthy4England]

Bit disappointed with the commentators on BBC 1. When asked "Where do you stand on Fellaini, Martin", the obvious answer "On any bit the cheating red c*nt has left showing" didn't transpire.

[TANGODANCER]

Just how many yellow cards did Clattenburg hand out to Italy and Belgium ? Kinell, there was hardly time for football.

[Prufrock]

Every fecking single one warranted too. I hate watching Italy. Cynical awful bastards. 4 bookings where they just hacked Belgium down as they broke. Clever, sure, but awful to watch.

But, you know, fifa have changed the rules so a kick off first have to go forwards, so they're on the important things.

[Hoboh]

I cannot believe the best game so far, if not the most technical, included the Italians, good game to watch.

Why oh why did Belgium try to go through the middle of the box time after time against an Italian wall?

[Nicko58]

Every fecking single one warranted too. I hate watching Italy. Cynical awful bastards. 4 bookings where they just hacked Belgium down as they broke. Clever, sure, but awful to watch.

But, you know, fifa have changed the rules so a kick off first have to go forwards, so they're on the important things.

The opposite is actually true. They've changed the rules so that as of the start of this tournament, a kick off can go either forwards or backwards. However, I guess that your point still stands either way.