Sammy Lee - Liverpool's No.2

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Post by FD » Wed May 14, 2008 4:10 pm

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed May 14, 2008 4:14 pm

FD wrote:How much did Megson get to spend in January?

Compare it with how much Sammy Lee spent pre-season.

I'm sure we'll be expected to believe it was Sammy's choice to take in waifs and strays though.
Fair enough, but equally Lee had Anelka, Megson only had Anelka for part of his time.

Net Lee spent circa 5M.

Net Megson spent circa -3M.

Lee also picked Gerald Cid in the Premiership more than once. I rest my case.

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Post by Worthy4England » Wed May 14, 2008 4:31 pm

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FD wrote:How much did Megson get to spend in January?

Compare it with how much Sammy Lee spent pre-season.

I'm sure we'll be expected to believe it was Sammy's choice to take in waifs and strays though.
Fair enough, but equally Lee had Anelka, Megson only had Anelka for part of his time.

Net Lee spent circa 5M.

Net Megson spent circa -3M.

Lee also picked Gerald Cid in the Premiership more than once. I rest my case.
You see, this is where stats fall short. You're crediting Megson with "making a profit", which factually he did - no argument.

I don't honestly believe that he did it through good management, he made a profit because he had no choice but to sell Anelka. After accusing me of trying to make out Megson to be "worse than he actually is", I feel I could level the "you're trying to make him look better than he is" back atcha.....;-)

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Post by Tombwfc » Wed May 14, 2008 4:41 pm

It's good management in the sense that we lost £15mil worth of player, brought in £12mil and still managed to stay up.

Whether it was his decision to sell Anelka or not, it was his decision whether or not to blow £7mil on a Leroy Lita just for the sake of buying a striker. The funds were available to him, he chose not to use them because he didn't think it was worth it, he was right and now we've more funds to play with now = Good management.

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Post by enfieldwhite » Fri May 16, 2008 6:02 pm

Now officially number two at Liverpool. (BBC)

Benitez officially still a prick.
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Post by blurred » Fri May 16, 2008 6:20 pm

Seems a somewhat odd appointment - not got any qualms about Lee's ability as a coach (always did a good job with us, and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good), but odd that he's now teaming up with Benitez...

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Post by enfieldwhite » Fri May 16, 2008 6:26 pm

blurred wrote:Seems a somewhat odd appointment - not got any qualms about Lee's ability as a coach (always did a good job with us, and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good), but odd that he's now teaming up with Benitez...
LSL will get on well with Klinnsman, though.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri May 16, 2008 6:39 pm

blurred wrote: and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good..
You may wish to think that one through again, fella. :shock:
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Post by bobo the clown » Fri May 16, 2008 7:14 pm

blurred wrote:Seems a somewhat odd appointment - not got any qualms about Lee's ability as a coach (always did a good job with us, and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good), but odd that he's now teaming up with Benitez...
cough .... MacClaren .... cough
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Fri May 16, 2008 8:24 pm

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blurred wrote: and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good..
You may wish to think that one through again, fella. :shock:
I must say this is an unusually naive intervention from blurred....
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Post by fatshaft » Fri May 16, 2008 8:27 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
blurred wrote: and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good..
You may wish to think that one through again, fella. :shock:
I must say this is an unusually naive intervention from blurred....
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Post by CrazyHorse » Fri May 16, 2008 8:30 pm

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blurred wrote:Seems a somewhat odd appointment - not got any qualms about Lee's ability as a coach (always did a good job with us, and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good), but odd that he's now teaming up with Benitez...
cough .... MacClaren .... cough
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Post by blurred » Fri May 16, 2008 8:32 pm

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blurred wrote: and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good..
You may wish to think that one through again, fella. :shock:
McLaren was a very good coach, as proved at United and with England. He was also a pretty average to poor as a manager, as proved with Middlesbrough and England. I was referring to 'the staff' (as in coaching staff) rather than the manager, because England have obviously had some ropey choices at the top.

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Post by Athers » Fri May 16, 2008 11:22 pm

Think it's a bit odd as well. Pako Ayesterian (sp?) was reputed to be a tactical guru, whereas Lee is well, not that.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri May 16, 2008 11:57 pm

blurred wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
blurred wrote: and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good..
You may wish to think that one through again, fella. :shock:
McLaren was a very good coach, as proved at United and with England. He was also a pretty average to poor as a manager, as proved with Middlesbrough and England. I was referring to 'the staff' (as in coaching staff) rather than the manager, because England have obviously had some ropey choices at the top.
Mate. We were playing better stuff under Phil Brown as coach. Sammy Lee is nowt more than a putter-out-of-the-cones and hander-out-of-the-bibs.
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Post by blurred » Sat May 17, 2008 12:07 am

Athers wrote:Think it's a bit odd as well. Pako Ayesterian (sp?) was reputed to be a tactical guru, whereas Lee is well, not that.
Aye, there's been a bit of a hole there this year since Pako left (in about September if I recall), but Sammy's not replacing him, he's replacing Alex Miller who's off to Japan to manage out there. We're still short of a Pako replacement, and have been for some time, but Ayestaran's real value was in fitness rather than tactics - you might be confused with him being placed on gardening leave until the end of his contract because he'd know valuable tactical info about Liverpool from the inside, and so he wasn't allowed to work with a rival club (as I understand it).
Bruce Rioja wrote:Mate. We were playing better stuff under Phil Brown as coach. Sammy Lee is nowt more than a putter-out-of-the-cones and hander-out-of-the-bibs.
As above, it's the fitness and training ground side of things we need, not his tactical nous (such as it is!)

It's also helpful that he's fluent in Spanish, from what I read.

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Post by Zulus Thousand of em » Sat May 17, 2008 7:45 am

That will compensate for his lack of fluency in English.
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Post by Batman » Sat May 17, 2008 8:07 am

Hardly like Gerrard and Carragher speak a recognisable language though, other than those grunting noises they come out with in interviews.


I always thought Sammy Lee's first language was 'bullshit' anyway.

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FD wrote:Arse, double post.
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Post by bobo the clown » Sat May 17, 2008 7:02 pm

blurred wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
blurred wrote: and you don't get to be on the England staff if you're no good..
You may wish to think that one through again, fella. :shock:
McLaren was a very good coach, as proved at United and with England. He was also a pretty average to poor as a manager, as proved with Middlesbrough and England. I was referring to 'the staff' (as in coaching staff) rather than the manager, because England have obviously had some ropey choices at the top.
McClaren is, was & always will be a useless gobshite.

Your defence of him simply goes to prove the debilitating impact of drug abuse in Scouseland.

Keep off it.
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