Leigh RMI are no more...

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:13 pm

ratbert wrote:You can't keep looking back, as you can't change anything about it. The future has to embraced at some point to move forward...

...otherwise we'd all be riding penny farthings, using a handle at the front of our cars to get them started and having boiled beef and carrots every meal. Some might like that, I don't.

Agree about the elephants though

Not about looking back Ratty, or denying the present. It's just about acknowleging that the past formed the present, just as the present will form the future. Just each having respect for the other and remembering roots.

FaninOz · Post by **FaninOz** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:53 pm

Leigh is a rugby league town, and it's a common aspect of that sport in the UK and Australia for the teams to have "american sport style names". Equally Rugby Union south of the equator has similar style team names (e.g. Western Force play in Perth), hence welcome to the 21st century. Even our soccer teams have such names, e.g Perth Glory.

Its therefore not surprising that they have finally dropped the RMI name and any further link with Horwich. As a Leigh lad I'm happy with that and I'm sure that the locals will be more responsive to the "new" team, they do support the Centurions Rugby League team for god's sake.

Perhaps BW should change its name now to Horwich, for that's were we play!!

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:09 pm

Leyther_Matt wrote:The RMI bit had made us a laughing stock in our own town considering we haven't had a train station in years - the new chairman (incidently previously involved at BWFC) and his staff have worked their socks off and are full of enthusiasm and ideas for the future. Just hope that it catches on as the club deserves a big rise in profile and crowds for having the balls to do it.

and what exactly does 'Genesis' have to do with Leigh. Were Adam and Eve White ace drinking scallies really? Phil Collins not dead, just working in a chippy in Leigh?

Athers · Post by **Athers** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:28 pm

IMO there are a lot more football fans in Leigh than rugby league now, especially amongst those under 40. The vast majority support Man United (be them attending fans or not). It's not a rugby league town in the same way as it was anymore for me.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:21 pm

FaninOz wrote:Perhaps BW should change its name now to Horwich, for that's were we play!!

I thought it was Lostock.

Leyther_Matt · Post by **Leyther_Matt** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:23 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Leyther_Matt wrote:The RMI bit had made us a laughing stock in our own town considering we haven't had a train station in years - the new chairman (incidently previously involved at BWFC) and his staff have worked their socks off and are full of enthusiasm and ideas for the future. Just hope that it catches on as the club deserves a big rise in profile and crowds for having the balls to do it.
and what exactly does 'Genesis' have to do with Leigh. Were Adam and Eve White ace drinking scallies really? Phil Collins not dead, just working in a chippy in Leigh?

But the problem with RMI wasn't that it had nowt to do with Leigh, but that it had everything to do with a different town - Genesis removes any link to any other towns and reiterates being a Leigh club rather than squatters from Horwich.

Athers wrote:IMO there are a lot more football fans in Leigh than rugby league now, especially amongst those under 40. The vast majority support Man United (be them attending fans or not). It's not a rugby league town in the same way as it was anymore for me.

Quite right. It is the Sky Bar types (or BWFC's non away travellers) we need to attract.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:30 pm

Leyther_Matt wrote:But the problem with RMI wasn't that it had nowt to do with Leigh, but that it had everything to do with a different town - Genesis removes any link to any other towns and reiterates being a Leigh club rather than squatters from Horwich.

But the club is from Horwich. More importantly from the loco works. They just happen to be playing in Leigh.

sluffy · Post by **sluffy** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:04 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Leyther_Matt wrote:But the problem with RMI wasn't that it had nowt to do with Leigh, but that it had everything to do with a different town - Genesis removes any link to any other towns and reiterates being a Leigh club rather than squatters from Horwich.
But the club is from Horwich. More importantly from the loco works. They just happen to be playing in Leigh.

I guess the most obvious similarity to the RMI debate is when Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes.

The club incorporated the 'Don's' bit from Wimbledon and added it to MK (Milton Keynes) where they now reside.

The interesting bit is that all the honours (winning the cup, etc) belonged to the club now playing in MK - but they gifted these 'right's' to the new club that now plays at Wimbledon - AFC Wimbledon.

So whether or not the Leigh fans like the RMI bit of their name - it does in fact form part of their clubs history - irrespective of Leigh not having a railway station or Railway Men's Institute.

On the other hand however football clubs do change their names - Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic for instance (The fan who started the chant - give us a B, must have been very unpopular back then!).

So as far as I am concerned the club as every right to change its name but no right to deny the clubs roots.

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:15 pm

There were two football clubs founded at the locomotive works of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway - Horwich RMI and Newton Heath. Newton Heath changed their name as well - didn't seem to hurt them.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:23 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:Horwich RMI and Newton Heath. Newton Heath changed their name as well - didn't seem to hurt them.

Didn't stop them shifting a shitload of shirts in green and yellow halves on the back of it either. That's hardly the point and well you know it.

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:27 pm

From my own experiences of something similar, I used to watch Swinton RL for my sins. Home and Away. I stopped watching them when they moved to Gigg Lane and haven't been since. They're still called Swinton, but they're something completely different now IMO.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:40 pm

Worthy4England wrote:They're still called Swinton, but they're something completely different now IMO.

Yes, but they haven't re-branded themselves as the Whitefield/Phillips Park Lions either. As such, who are they hoping to identify with? Just so as you know, the club shop next to the station closed down a few weeks ago too.

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:42 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:They're still called Swinton, but they're something completely different now IMO.
Yes, but they haven't re-branded themselves as the Whitefield/Phillips Park Lions either. As such, who are they hoping to identify with? Just so as you know, the club shop next to the station closed down a few weeks ago too.

For me they might as well have re-branded themselves

I don't have much time for Malcolm White either. T*at

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:03 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote:Horwich RMI and Newton Heath. Newton Heath changed their name as well - didn't seem to hurt them.
Didn't stop them shifting a shitload of shirts in green and yellow halves on the back of it either. That's hardly the point and well you know it.

Just thought it was an interesting factoid...

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:15 pm

Leyther_Matt wrote:But the problem with RMI wasn't that it had nowt to do with Leigh, but that it had everything to do with a different town - Genesis removes any link to any other towns and reiterates being a Leigh club rather than squatters from Horwich.

... and at last you show the real attitude which you've edged toward since the very first indelicate, rather triumphant, input on this thread.

That line sums up your total lack of respect ... the sort of lack of respect any freeloader has ... history doesn't matter because it doesn't cover YOUR part of the subject. You guys did nothing to help build the club and so feel free, even relieved, to demean it.

Those "squatters from Horwich" were founded in 1896, one year after Leigh RL were created. I'd have thought they deserved more than a a young scroat just out of nappies to refer to them as squatters.

I doubt you enjoy being told you are just a small town in Wigan, do you Matt ? Think about it.

Ho-hum !!

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:54 am

Prufrock wrote:
Leyther_Matt wrote:The RMI bit had made us a laughing stock in our own town considering we haven't had a train station in years - the new chairman (incidently previously involved at BWFC) and his staff have worked their socks off and are full of enthusiasm and ideas for the future. Just hope that it catches on as the club deserves a big rise in profile and crowds for having the balls to do it.
and what exactly does 'Genesis' have to do with Leigh. Were Adam and Eve White ace drinking scallies really? Phil Collins not dead, just working in a chippy in Leigh?

I'm hoping, since no-one has corrected me, that i was right, and Phil Collins has passed on?

CrazyHorse · Post by **CrazyHorse** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:10 am

Probably stating the obvious, but I think it's more to do with new beginnings than Phil Collins....

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:39 am

CrazyHorse wrote:Probably stating the obvious, but I think it's more to do with new beginnings than Phil Collins....

But i really want him gone!!!

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:13 am

CrazyHorse wrote:Probably stating the obvious, but I think it's more to do with new beginnings than Phil Collins....

so presumably in 5 years, when it's not a new beginnings (which makes you wonder why they didn't become Leigh Bucks Fizz) and all the fans are leaving, they'll rebrand as Leigh Exodus?

Hoboh · Post by **Hoboh** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:53 am

Who cares about the RMI bit?

Horwich 'ave a got a newish Premier league team now!

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