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Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:47 pm

I have to agree entirely with Bruno there, Prufrock. Crespo's record is absolutely superb, and, at the very highest level.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:47 pm

Bruno wrote:Crespo overrated? GTFO, his record is up there with the very best.

Never a fan myself, he is in the RVN school of being a decent player all round, and a fantastic goalscorer when the entire team is built towards that purpose. He was a very good player, but at one point he was the most expensive ever player. He wasn't that good. Not even close.

boltonboris · Post by **boltonboris** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:49 pm

Prufrock wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
H. Pedersen wrote:Palermo keeps Argentina's World Cup hopes alive . . . great story.
The forgotten man of Football. Wasn't there massive expectations on him to fill the boots of one Gabriella Batistuta? Also, didn't he play for Villareal before moving back to Boca

In fairness to Martin Palermo, the boots of Batigol won't be filled for another decade yet. Higuain (good), Tevez (good) and Aguerro (Excellent) still aren't fit to lace his boots
It's not so much they aren't good enough, Aguerro is a better player than Batistuta was, but they don't have that sort of player. Crespo was hugely overrated but he did an important job. Tevez, Aguerro, Messi are all good players but none are comfortable back to goal. And none of them can take a tough ball in and make it stick in that situation.

That's a big call and one I'm sure based on media presumption and current reputation. Batistuta and Aguerro are totally different, agreed. But to say Aguerro is a better player is mind boggling, if could be and probably will be but at this moment in time, he's light years away from Batistuta his all round game eclipsed Aguerro's. Crespo was immense too and cannot be judged by his short spell at Chelsea

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:08 pm

boltonboris wrote:
Prufrock wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
H. Pedersen wrote:Palermo keeps Argentina's World Cup hopes alive . . . great story.
The forgotten man of Football. Wasn't there massive expectations on him to fill the boots of one Gabriella Batistuta? Also, didn't he play for Villareal before moving back to Boca

In fairness to Martin Palermo, the boots of Batigol won't be filled for another decade yet. Higuain (good), Tevez (good) and Aguerro (Excellent) still aren't fit to lace his boots
It's not so much they aren't good enough, Aguerro is a better player than Batistuta was, but they don't have that sort of player. Crespo was hugely overrated but he did an important job. Tevez, Aguerro, Messi are all good players but none are comfortable back to goal. And none of them can take a tough ball in and make it stick in that situation.
That's a big call and one I'm sure based on media presumption and current reputation. Batistuta and Aguerro are totally different, agreed. But to say Aguerro is a better player is mind boggling, if could be and probably will be but at this moment in time, he's light years away from Batistuta his all round game eclipsed Aguerro's. Crespo was immense too and cannot be judged by his short spell at Chelsea

Aguerro is a better footballer than Batistuta was. Batistuta was a better goalscorer, a better target man, and still a top top player, but Aguerro is so naturally gifted. That's based on watching him ta, not newspaper supposition. Crespo was good when the entire team was built around him. He was a good player but not anywhere near he is rated, normally by those who watch football Italia and La Liga highlights and decide Spanish and Italian football is better coz it makes them seem different and cool (see I can make random judgements on where people get their opinions from too).

boltonboris · Post by **boltonboris** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:22 pm

I questioned your opinion purely because I don't agree with you watching both players would seriously suggest that Batistuta is much the better player. Batistuta had so much more to his game than being a target man, his movement, link up, finishing and commitment was truly world class and he's one of the best strikers of our generation, something you can't honestly say about 'Kun'

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:05 pm

boltonboris wrote:I questioned your opinion purely because I don't agree with you watching both players would seriously suggest that Batistuta is much the better player. Batistuta had so much more to his game than being a target man, his movement, link up, finishing and commitment was truly world class and he's one of the best strikers of our generation, something you can't honestly say about 'Kun'

You're allowed to question my opinion, and disagree with it. I took issue with the fact that since you disagreed with it, you assumed it had no merit and must have been formed on newspaper hype and reputation alone, which is not the case. It's no biggie.

I still think Aguerro is a more naturally gifted footballer, all round than Batistuta, but if I had to pick a team, I wouldn't have two Batistutas, or even two Aguerros, but one of each, because they are different sorts of player. My original point was Argentina have a lot of talent in that area, with Aguerro, Tevez, Higuain, and Messi too, but no out and out front man. Whilst I don't think Crespo was as good as many make out, he was certainly a good player, and I think they miss him, or more, Batistuta himself in that role.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:39 pm

See where Aguero is in ten years, then consider comparing him to Batistuta, because at the moment there is simply no comparison.

One is an up-and-coming striker with great potential, and the other had ten solid years in the best league in the world, and scored goals consistently for club and country.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:10 pm

Bruno wrote:See where Aguero is in ten years, then consider comparing him to Batistuta, because at the moment there is simply no comparison.

One is an up-and-coming striker with great potential, and the other had ten solid years in the best league in the world, and scored goals consistently for club and country.

I wouldn't disagree, my point is, and always has been, Aguerro is a more naturally talented footballer. Whether or not he has the other attributes, and the mentality to be as consistently successful is certainly another matter.

H. Pedersen · Post by **H. Pedersen** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:57 am

Those who know more about South American football might be able to correct me on this, but it seems like Argentina places expectations on their young players that are unheard of elsewhere in the world. Every time a young player shows some promise, he's the "New Maradona." How can they live up to that billing? Invariably, they don't. It seems like nobody is really appreciated for what they are. Palermo is a goal machine in his own right, but because he didn't turn out to be the next Batistuta, nobody remembers him.

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:19 am

It happens in all the big footballing nations HP. The pressure to succeed is immense, people want to see the "fantasy" that great players bring. Remember Ronaldo's fit, wasn't that stress related? I know in England we seem to destroy many a good young players career by expecting far too much, far too soon. And as for the "next Maradonna" (or over here) "the next Best"??? People want Cokeheads and p*ssheads as their heroes? Thats what came with the package, Gascoigne being another example. I'm sure its the same in American sports - The next Di Maggio, Shoeless Joe etc. Its human nature, particularly when these sports are so huge.

H. Pedersen · Post by **H. Pedersen** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:04 am

There's no doubt that young players get a lot of pressure in the big nations. It even happened in the USA with Freddy Adu, which was entirely unfair to him. Argentina seems to be unique in their fixation on one guy though.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:08 am

Freddy had his chance, he has done alright for himself considering the fact that he is 45

Harry Genshaw · Post by **Harry Genshaw** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:35 pm

bobo the clown wrote:No, the only jaw break I recall was Jim McDonagh on Irvine Nattras .v. Newcastle in the FA Cup, Jan '76. He came to punch the ball out & connected with IN's jaw.

The same season, I think.

I always thought it was Geoff Nulty who had his jaw broken? It was definitely Barry Siddall in goal though.

officer_dibble · Post by **officer_dibble** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:51 pm

my dad swears ian marshall scored a header outside the area for us at stockport when we got to 3-3 from 3-0 down and still lost 4-3!

anyone delve into the archives for that one?

boltonboris · Post by **boltonboris** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:31 pm

officer_dibble wrote:my dad swears ian marshall scored a header outside the area for us at stockport when we got to 3-3 from 3-0 down and still lost 4-3!

anyone delve into the archives for that one?

No can do. I left at half time

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:29 pm

Was Bobic v Ipswich outside the area?

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