Wasted Talent

[Puskas]

Pele.

Just think how good he could have been if he'd fulfilled his potential.

I need say only one thing - he never won the Sherpa Van Trophy. Unlike Jeff Chandler.

[William the White]

Pele.

Just think how good he could have been if he'd fulfilled his potential.

I need say only one thing - he never won the Sherpa Van Trophy. Unlike Jeff Chandler.

Yeah, and Puskas, he was a fat slow knob when all's said and done... an that right foot was only for standing on... if he'd done a little training in the old days, but, hey, Hungary, innit? Know nowt - who did they ever beat, FFS?

[Puskas]

Pele.

Just think how good he could have been if he'd fulfilled his potential.

I need say only one thing - he never won the Sherpa Van Trophy. Unlike Jeff Chandler.

Yeah, and Puskas, he was a fat slow knob when all's said and done... an that right foot was only for standing on... if he'd done a little training in the old days, but, hey, Hungary, innit? Know nowt - who did they ever beat, FFS?

But it's always good to see a fat lad do well.

Makes me feel better about things.....

[Worthy4England]

Giggs could have graced the world stage if Red nose hadn't pushed him into the Welsh FA's doors

Don't think that's actually true (the bit about he could have graced the world stage, assuming you mean playing for England)

As a schoolboy, don't you play for the country your school is in regardless of your nationality, which is why he played England Schoolboys?

As far as I know he has absolutely no English heritage going back through grand-parents and was born in Wales. I don't think he ever had a pick - nor that even Red Nose could have altered things.

[seanworth]

Joey Barton I believe fits the bill.

[boltonboris]

Giggs could have graced the world stage if Red nose hadn't pushed him into the Welsh FA's doors

Don't think that's actually true (the bit about he could have graced the world stage, assuming you mean playing for England)

As a schoolboy, don't you play for the country your school is in regardless of your nationality, which is why he played England Schoolboys?

As far as I know he has absolutely no English heritage going back through grand-parents and was born in Wales. I don't think he ever had a pick - nor that even Red Nose could have altered things.

He was born in England, raised in Swinton by his welsh mother and English father or vice-versa

[CAPSLOCK]

Ryan Wilsons dad is the Welsh RL player, Danny Wilson

[Worthy4England]

Giggs could have graced the world stage if Red nose hadn't pushed him into the Welsh FA's doors

Don't think that's actually true (the bit about he could have graced the world stage, assuming you mean playing for England)

As a schoolboy, don't you play for the country your school is in regardless of your nationality, which is why he played England Schoolboys?

As far as I know he has absolutely no English heritage going back through grand-parents and was born in Wales. I don't think he ever had a pick - nor that even Red Nose could have altered things.

He was born in England, raised in Swinton by his welsh mother and English father or vice-versa

He was born in Cardiff, raised in Swinton by his Welsh parents (both of them) from the age of about 6 when Danny signed to play for Swinton.

[Puskas]

Ryan Wilsons dad is the Welsh RL player, Danny Wilson

He was Mary's prayer. I think.

[Worthy4England]

Ryan Wilsons dad is the Welsh RL player, Danny Wilson

He was Mary's prayer. I think.

If you wanted to talk about non-footballing wasted talent - then Danny Wilson would probably have been up there with the best.

[BWFC_Insane]

Giggs could have graced the world stage if Red nose hadn't pushed him into the Welsh FA's doors

Don't think that's actually true (the bit about he could have graced the world stage, assuming you mean playing for England)

As a schoolboy, don't you play for the country your school is in regardless of your nationality, which is why he played England Schoolboys?

As far as I know he has absolutely no English heritage going back through grand-parents and was born in Wales. I don't think he ever had a pick - nor that even Red Nose could have altered things.

He was born in England, raised in Swinton by his welsh mother and English father or vice-versa

He was born in Cardiff, raised in Swinton by his Welsh parents (both of them) from the age of about 6 when Danny signed to play for Swinton.

Indeed, weren't checks made on Giggs and there was no trace of English parentage at all? Hence why he was ineligible to play for England!

[Worthy4England]

Giggs could have graced the world stage if Red nose hadn't pushed him into the Welsh FA's doors

Don't think that's actually true (the bit about he could have graced the world stage, assuming you mean playing for England)

As a schoolboy, don't you play for the country your school is in regardless of your nationality, which is why he played England Schoolboys?

As far as I know he has absolutely no English heritage going back through grand-parents and was born in Wales. I don't think he ever had a pick - nor that even Red Nose could have altered things.

He was born in England, raised in Swinton by his welsh mother and English father or vice-versa

He was born in Cardiff, raised in Swinton by his Welsh parents (both of them) from the age of about 6 when Danny signed to play for Swinton.

Indeed, weren't checks made on Giggs and there was no trace of English parentage at all? Hence why he was ineligible to play for England!

Correct - 3 grandparents Welsh too, other from Sierra Leone....

[seanworth]

Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs has dispelled the myth that he turned his back on the chance to play for England.

Speaking exclusively in an interview for BBC Choice's 45 Minutes programme, Giggs said despite people often thinking he opted to represent Wales rather than England - he isn't actually qualified to parade the three lions on his shirt.

Giggs explained: "I'm Welsh through and through.

"I was born in Wales, I grew up in Wales and my family are Welsh.

"The confusion was because I played for England schoolboys - but only because I went to an English school. I couldn't actually play for England!"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tv_and_ ... 306679.stm

[boltonboris]

Then I stand corrected.. But still insist if he'd played for a bigger nation, he could have been considered one of the best ever..

Eric Cantona could also be added to the list

[Worthy4England]

Then I stand corrected.. But still insist if he'd played for a bigger nation, he could have been considered one of the best ever..

Eric Cantona could also be added to the list

Think Cantona is a good one internationally - don't think he did too bad at club level.

Bit hard on Giggs if you're suggesting he had any part in wasting his talent, as he didn't have really much option who to play for internationally and he's certainly won everything there is to win in the game at a Club level.

[boltonboris]

Then I stand corrected.. But still insist if he'd played for a bigger nation, he could have been considered one of the best ever..

Eric Cantona could also be added to the list

Think Cantona is a good one internationally - don't think he did too bad at club level.

Bit hard on Giggs if you're suggesting he had any part in wasting his talent, as he didn't have really much option who to play for internationally and he's certainly won everything there is to win in the game at a Club level.

I totally appreciate that, but somebody above mentioned George Best, presumably for his (lack of) International achievements, you can't comment on is club achievements as, despite being a p*ss can, he won league, cup and European cups... Just like Giggs

[Verbal]

Harry Kewell.
Johnathan Woodgate
Lee Bowyer.
Kieron Dyer

[Worthy4England]

Then I stand corrected.. But still insist if he'd played for a bigger nation, he could have been considered one of the best ever..

Eric Cantona could also be added to the list

Think Cantona is a good one internationally - don't think he did too bad at club level.

Bit hard on Giggs if you're suggesting he had any part in wasting his talent, as he didn't have really much option who to play for internationally and he's certainly won everything there is to win in the game at a Club level.

I totally appreciate that, but somebody above mentioned George Best, presumably for his (lack of) International achievements, you can't comment on is club achievements as, despite being a p*ss can, he won league, cup and European cups... Just like Giggs

George Best was just about done by the time he was 28 - which is probably why most people thought he wasted it. Giggs is not in the same drinking league - although his dad probably is.

[bw@bw]

If we are talking about very good players who had the talent to be greats- then Frank Worthington has to be near the top of the list.

His failure to join Liverpool under Shankly has never been satisfactorily explained.

If he had joined then, there may never have been a Keegan phenomenon

[William the White]

If we are talking about very good players who had the talent to be greats- then Frank Worthington has to be near the top of the list.

His failure to join Liverpool under Shankly has never been satisfactorily explained.

If he had joined then, there may never have been a Keegan phenomenon

God the rumours, though