West Ham are complete failures! Let's all laugh at 'em!

[thebish]

One thing I will give Coyle...

careful!!

[Hoboh]

Now perhaps Gartside is talking rubbish, but the fact is that Eddie Davies wasn't prepared to do whatever plan Allardyce had. And Gartside told me that they felt Allardyce was "bored" and didn't expect Bolton to go anywhere near what he wanted and was therefore just looking for an excuse for getting out.

You are Nixon!!!! I claim my tenner!

[Prufrock]

This Megson and Coyle policy making a profit on players. I can only remember making a real profit of one player in recent times. French bloke. Played up top. Who signed him?

[a1]

imo, the lenth of the contacts given out by bolton to new signings is what kinda prevents us 'making most profit'.

ngog's being 3 year had me 'worried' straight away , due to remembering what happened with elmander going for nowt.

i'm not sure what the thinking behind it is. probably relegation fears (no!!!!).

the anelka contract (and the improvement) were one of the times they got it right. kinda luckily, considering he were "le sulk" previously at a few clubs.

[Montreal Wanderer]

imo, the lenth of the contacts given out by bolton to new signings is what kinda prevents us 'making most profit'.

ngog's being 3 year had me 'worried' straight away , due to remembering what happened with elmander going for nowt.

i'm not sure what the thinking behind it is. probably relegation fears (no!!!!).

the anelka contract (and the improvement) were one of the times they got it right. kinda luckily, considering he were "le sulk" previously at a few clubs.

We signed Al Habsi for four years and made a profit. We might have signed Elmander for longer if he'd done something on the first two years we had him. Cahill was not a bad deal either - would have been nice to sign him longer but I don't think he wanted that. If we sell SKD to Sunderland for anything we've made a profit. Frankly it's all a gamble - long or short.

[BWFC_Insane]

This Megson and Coyle policy making a profit on players. I can only remember making a real profit of one player in recent times. French bloke. Played up top. Who signed him?

Well we made a profit on Cahill, albeit a smaller one because we sold him late on.

I think the emphasis is on younger players.

Assuming CYL comes back big profit there if we want it.

Same with Mark Davies.

Coyle is trying to take it even further!

[Zulus Thousand of em]

An even smaller profit when you deduct Aston Villa's cut.

[boltonboris]

We bought that clause out

[Zulus Thousand of em]

We bought that clause out

I stand corrected. How much did it cost us to buy it out?

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the strength of the club were Allardyce and his specialist basckroom team. When he walked out with that team, he didn't leave a lot, barring Anelka. No discernable youth set up, not a crop of accquired young players coming through, not even a mentality or playing style (e.g. that Swansea have carried on through multiple managers).

No issue with that.

I think what Coyle is doing will, if he can get the here and now right, and the longer term is managed and structured properly leave us stronger and not reliant on one manager etc....in theory at least. I think Eddie Davies made that a big priority after learning the lessons when Allardyce left. Thing is you have to get the here and now right for all the future stuff to eventually pay off....

[Hoboh]

I think the strength of the club were Allardyce and his specialist basckroom team. When he walked out with that team, he didn't leave a lot, barring Anelka. No discernable youth set up, not a crop of accquired young players coming through, not even a mentality or playing style (e.g. that Swansea have carried on through multiple managers).

No issue with that.

I think what Coyle is doing will, if he can get the here and now right, and the longer term is managed and structured properly leave us stronger and not reliant on one manager etc....in theory at least. I think Eddie Davies made that a big priority after learning the lessons when Allardyce left. Thing is you have to get the here and now right for all the future stuff to eventually pay off....

5 games on and your now a "Coyle man" Bah! I knew you were Nixon testing the waters all along!

[boltonboris]

We bought that clause out

I stand corrected. How much did it cost us to buy it out?

I can't remember. The figure I have in my head was about £700k. But it seems high. I can't remember if the percentage agreement was his sale price, or profit of sale price. I hope it was the former..... Otherwise, money wasted!

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the strength of the club were Allardyce and his specialist basckroom team. When he walked out with that team, he didn't leave a lot, barring Anelka. No discernable youth set up, not a crop of accquired young players coming through, not even a mentality or playing style (e.g. that Swansea have carried on through multiple managers).

No issue with that.

I think what Coyle is doing will, if he can get the here and now right, and the longer term is managed and structured properly leave us stronger and not reliant on one manager etc....in theory at least. I think Eddie Davies made that a big priority after learning the lessons when Allardyce left. Thing is you have to get the here and now right for all the future stuff to eventually pay off....

5 games on and your now a "Coyle man" Bah! I knew you were Nixon testing the waters all along!

Not at all. But you have to judge a siuation in its fullest.

If he gets results like Liverpool and continues to improve our youth setup, then thats good. He must keep us up for me and seeing as he's not going to be sacked thats how I'll judge him!

[thebish]

I think the strength of the club were Allardyce and his specialist basckroom team. When he walked out with that team, he didn't leave a lot, barring Anelka. No discernable youth set up, not a crop of accquired young players coming through, not even a mentality or playing style (e.g. that Swansea have carried on through multiple managers).

No issue with that.

I think what Coyle is doing will, if he can get the here and now right, and the longer term is managed and structured properly leave us stronger and not reliant on one manager etc....in theory at least. I think Eddie Davies made that a big priority after learning the lessons when Allardyce left. Thing is you have to get the here and now right for all the future stuff to eventually pay off....

I thought you said what Coyle was doing was being like a cancer in the club and completely destroying it?

now what he's doing will leave us stronger??

[Prufrock]

This Megson and Coyle policy making a profit on players. I can only remember making a real profit of one player in recent times. French bloke. Played up top. Who signed him?

Well we made a profit on Cahill, albeit a smaller one because we sold him late on.

I think the emphasis is on younger players.

Assuming CYL comes back big profit there if we want it.

Same with Mark Davies.

Coyle is trying to take it even further!

Hence the word real. Once you take out whatever we paid Villa for the clause plus any loyalty shit Cahill got as he went it's unlikely we actually made a profit. Not knocking his signing, Meggo's best, and breaking even isn't to be sniffed at, just saying for all the talk of young players sold for a profit, the only one that's likely to happen with is LCY (and he is out of contract next year) and it's unlikely to come close to the £7million 'short term Allardyce' got for Nico.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the strength of the club were Allardyce and his specialist basckroom team. When he walked out with that team, he didn't leave a lot, barring Anelka. No discernable youth set up, not a crop of accquired young players coming through, not even a mentality or playing style (e.g. that Swansea have carried on through multiple managers).

No issue with that.

I think what Coyle is doing will, if he can get the here and now right, and the longer term is managed and structured properly leave us stronger and not reliant on one manager etc....in theory at least. I think Eddie Davies made that a big priority after learning the lessons when Allardyce left. Thing is you have to get the here and now right for all the future stuff to eventually pay off....

I thought you said what Coyle was doing was being like a cancer in the club and completely destroying it?

now what he's doing will leave us stronger??

There is a difference between being angry after seeing us lose for the umpteenth time and assessing what a manager is trying to do.

He needs to keep us up. If he doesn't then he has destroyed all the good work done previously to keep this club in he premiership.

There are signs he may be learning, keep it up and I will be happy!

[thebish]

is coyle making the club stronger - or is he a dreadful cancer killing the club?

you seem to be saying...

if it all turns to shit then I think he is a cancerous pox on the club
but then again...
if it all turns out ok then I think he is good for us and is making the club stronger


maybe politics is your future??

[BWFC_Insane]

is coyle making the club stronger - or is he a dreadful cancer killing the club?

you seem to be saying...

if it all turns to shit then I think he is a cancerous pox on the club
but then again...
if it all turns out ok then I think he is good for us and is making the club stronger


maybe politics is your future??

What he's doing in the long term may make us stronger. But not if he pisses away the short term. Simples....

[thebish]

is coyle making the club stronger - or is he a dreadful cancer killing the club?

you seem to be saying...

if it all turns to shit then I think he is a cancerous pox on the club
but then again...
if it all turns out ok then I think he is good for us and is making the club stronger


maybe politics is your future??

What he's doing in the long term may make us stronger. But not if he pisses away the short term. Simples....

you're still confusing me... you think he is good for the club and making it stronger - but you wanted him sacked and to never work in football again...

[jaffka]

Got to say that my head hurts in trying to work this out, in fact in sounds like somebody who is trying to edge their bets so that whatever happens they can post bollox about telling us all how they were right.