still no cap for cahil

[thebish]

But there is nowhere else you can earn significant money, make a complete balls up of the major project you're being asked to do, then go on holiday for over a month, then come back as though nothings happened and carry on!

errr... the House of Commons???

(except they go on holiday for half the year....)

[BWFC_Insane]

But there is nowhere else you can earn significant money, make a complete balls up of the major project you're being asked to do, then go on holiday for over a month, then come back as though nothings happened and carry on!

Local and national Government, the civil service, banking, the film industry, the music industry...

I don't think you'll find many examples of that happening and certainly not in the public eye.

But hey I could be wrong.....

And lets not start counting musicians who are self-employed here or MPs who are working (well supposedly) when they are back in their constituencies etc....

Having briefly worked for a council years ago, I certainly don't remember folk doing that either. Quite the opposite in fact.

[thebish]

But there is nowhere else you can earn significant money, make a complete balls up of the major project you're being asked to do, then go on holiday for over a month, then come back as though nothings happened and carry on!

I think you exaggerate - most people do averagely well at their jobs - don't rip up trees - but don't totally fail - go on holiday - and then go back to their desk. i bet even you do...

[Tombwfc]

I'm with Blurred on this one. I can do without empty gestures aimed only at appeasing boneheaded England fans.

The England u19 squad featured not a single player who is a regular first team player for their Premier League club. None of them are remotely close to being in contention to play for England. He might aswell go and watch a kickaround on a park.

And the history of the England will tell you that getting knocked out in the second round is not a 'complete balls up', it's par for the course.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm with Blurred on this one. I can do without empty gestures aimed only at appeasing boneheaded England fans.

The England u19 squad featured not a single player who is a regular first team player for their Premier League club. None of them are remotely close to being in contention to play for England. He might aswell go and watch a kickaround on a park.

And the history of the England will tell you that getting knocked out in the second round is not a 'complete balls up', it's par for the course.

Again this is where I disagree.

I think showing willing and showing that you are fully committed and determined is a part of this job.

If he'd won the world cup or taken us to a semi final with good football, nobody would have cared, that much is true. But the fact is he didn't and when you're in a 6M a year position you have to accept and be prepared to take on some of the downside of that.

And if that means watching an u19 tournament for a few days to show willing, (even if nothing else) and demonstrate your hunger and desire to folk questioning you, then to me you've got to do that.

He only has to "work" for about 10 games a year.

If his attitude is "I'm successful and proven therefore there is nothing I can learn or gain from anything other than my own experience" then we don't want him as manager.

Mourinho is arrogant because he is a bloody good manager, and he's a bloody good manager because he works very hard and he understands PR and how to work fans, the media, players and all sorts of groups.

Capello clearly can't manage the England players well and is struggling to get the media and fans onside.

There were issues before the world cup even started with the shambolic way the squad was announced. Since then its not just on the field that things have been shite.

[Prufrock]

Some seriously over-reactionary remarks on here. He'll get his chance soon enough.

Like when?

Was Hungary not the perfect time to give him 45 minutes?

He's hardly going to throw him straight into a Euro qualifier is he?

He's picked him for quite a few squads now and he's sat on the bench without the chance to show what he can do.

I can live with him not getting picked, or even not getting "proper" games for England as thats understandable.

But if you put him in your squads for friendlies, several times, then a manager with a bit of class would have given him a chance.

Mind this is Capello who on 6M a year identified that our best chance of doing anything in the world cup was to persuade Paul Scholes to come out of retirement. So what he does is ask his assistant to give him a "ring".

6M a year?

He's 24. His chance will come. Calm down, Dear.

x2

[BWFC_Insane]

Owen ain't happy.......

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... hill_snub/

[H. Pedersen]

I'm really not bothered. The sooner Cahill plays regularly for England, the sooner he'll leave. Plus we'll probably have to pay Villa more money when he gets capped.

[Tombwfc]

Owen Coyle may be God, but he should mind his own really.

It's not school football where everyone gets a game for turning up. Fabio wanted to try out Jagielka with Terry, and then with Dawson - clearly our top three choices in that position. It would've served little for Fabio to throw Cahill on for 10 minutes for the sake of it.

[thebish]

Owen Coyle may be God, but he should mind his own really.

It's not school football where everyone gets a game for turning up. Fabio wanted to try out Jagielka with Terry, and then with Dawson - clearly our top three choices in that position. It would've served little for Fabio to throw Cahill on for 10 minutes for the sake of it.

indeed - and it served no-one at all to call him up in the first place.

[BWFC_Insane]

Owen Coyle may be God, but he should mind his own really.

It's not school football where everyone gets a game for turning up. Fabio wanted to try out Jagielka with Terry, and then with Dawson - clearly our top three choices in that position. It would've served little for Fabio to throw Cahill on for 10 minutes for the sake of it.

Sorry Tom I can't agree.

Coyle lost Cahill for a key time before the season for no reason. Its the 5th (I think) time this has happened. Sure sometimes players have to go into squads to sit on the bench, but its happened too often now.

Cahill clearly wasn't happy, you could see as he trudged off the bench. Coyle is clearly frustrated with the situation.

All this "Fabio is god and knows what he's doing and can't be questioned" crap is well exactly that, crap.

Even Gartside has backed down from his position of "full support" to one of "well he's here and there's nothing I can do about it".

Once you've had Cahill in two or three FRIENDLY squads you either decide its time to give him a go or you don't pick him again unless you intend to do just that.

Mind lets be fair, it was only right for him to have a long look at Terry. I mean when was the last time Capello's seen him play?

[thebish]

chill...

Cahill didn't play - and didn't suffer an agonising pointless-friendly snapping of his achilles tendon.

He's fit and raring to go for saturday.

[BWFC_Insane]

chill...

Cahill didn't play - and didn't suffer an agonising pointless-friendly snapping of his achilles tendon.

He's fit and raring to go for saturday.

I have no issue with that and its great he's fit.

But I imagine he's pretty frustrated. Certainly looked gutted as he trudged off the bench the other night.

I hope he's focussed and firing to prove himself this season.

My personal feeling is he's not good enough to be considered a choice for England anyways. But I think its unfair to keep picking him and not let him have a chance to prove it one way or t'other.

But hey end of the day all I'm really bothered about is him doing well for Bolton.

[thebish]

anyway - Zat is our senior centre-back - having more england caps than cahill...

[Bruce Rioja]

All this "Fabio is god and knows what he's doing and can't be questioned"

You'll have to point some of that stuff out to me, fella, as I haven't seen anything even hinting at such an opinion by anyone; player, press or Joe Bloggs.

[Tombwfc]

Indeed, the most anyones said is that he's the manager and it's his choice.

I just think you're wailing against Capello for the sake of wailing. All this 'you can't do' and whatnot. Who says? Who says you have to play someone after selecting them in x amount of squads? Who says you have to go and watch the u19s?

There are plenty of valid reasons to slate Capello, I don't see the need to invent nonsensical ones.

[BWFC_Insane]

Indeed, the most anyones said is that he's the manager and it's his choice.

I just think you're wailing against Capello for the sake of wailing. All this 'you can't do' and whatnot. Who says? Who says you have to play someone after selecting them in x amount of squads? Who says you have to go and watch the u19s?

There are plenty of valid reasons to slate Capello, I don't see the need to invent nonsensical ones.

He can pick Cahill a hundred times if he wants to sit him on the bench.

But its shite management, and if Owen wants to criticise him for how he treats one of his players then he's as entitled to do that as Capello is to pick him and not play him!