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WhiteArmy wrote:Had this argument with a coach years and years ago (anyone know Dick Oxtoby), i was playing at the time for Silcoms in the old Combination and he used to have us in Breightmet gym with medicine balls, running us into the ground til our legs were like jelly.

At the end of a 2 hour training session, which was mostly repetitive circuit stuff, he'd let us get the ball out and have a 5 or 7 a side match.

I once asked him why we didn't get the ball out earlier and do perhaps 50/50 training and ballwork.

You'd have thought i'd asked him to sell his soul to the devil, he went ballistic, dropped me from the side for the next game and i left soon afterwards.

Modern English footballers are taught to be athletes first and ability is a very poor second.

Strange how Croatia didn't need tremendous athletes to stroke their way around us last night though?

I wouldn't look any further than Hoddle.

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I realise he has ruled himself out, but I reckon Allardyce would take the job if the FA offered it to him.

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mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

WhiteArmy wrote:Had this argument with a coach years and years ago (anyone know Dick Oxtoby), i was playing at the time for Silcoms in the old Combination and he used to have us in Breightmet gym with medicine balls, running us into the ground til our legs were like jelly.

At the end of a 2 hour training session, which was mostly repetitive circuit stuff, he'd let us get the ball out and have a 5 or 7 a side match.

I once asked him why we didn't get the ball out earlier and do perhaps 50/50 training and ballwork.

You'd have thought i'd asked him to sell his soul to the devil, he went ballistic, dropped me from the side for the next game and i left soon afterwards.

Modern English footballers are taught to be athletes first and ability is a very poor second.

Strange how Croatia didn't need tremendous athletes to stroke their way around us last night though?

You've got to earn the right to play football, every Englishman knows that one!

Seriously though, playing 5 or 7 or side when everyone is fooking knackered sounds like a good way to make everyone rely on skill rather than sheer physicality...

communistworkethic wrote:I've just issued a press release......

Commie honoured by England Job

Communistworkethic, the TW regular and sometime columnist, has today made himself available for the vacant England managers position.

The 30-something Boltonian has made no secret of his desire to manage the national side.

"Anyone would be honoured to take the £5million-a-year job," he said at the coffee machine this morning.

"You'd be mad to turn it down, I'd snap the FA's hands off if they offered it to me. Obviously the workload of 8 games a year on average, would be tough to fit in, but you'd be prepared to make sacrifices for the compensation the role brings."

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I realise he has ruled himself out, but I reckon Allardyce would take the job if the FA offered it to him.

I'm not surprised that a man of his ego has decided against wearing his heart on his sleeve this time round, and as we all know, it would do him no favours with the Geordies if he did.

With Mourinho not wanting the job, Hiddink unavailable, and the other top available managers being Italians who don't speak English, I do think Allardyce is the man for the job. Better than O'Neill, anyway.

Tombwfc wrote: I would've had Allardyce first team round, save for him being our manager of course. But since he's gone up there, and in the latter parts of his tenure here, i just think he's not got the tactical ability to manage a top side with big expectations. It's probably more bitterness than anything, though i can't imagine he'd garner too many favourable reviews in the press if we went to San Marino looking for a point for example.

I'd have Capello, you can teach a man English (Or maybe not, Hiddinks Russian is about as good as mine), but you can't teach him how to be a great manager, which he is. Again he's got a bit of a reputation for being pragmatic and a bit dull, but for me thats the only way we're ever going to win things with these players. We're not technically good enough to play total football.

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Oh, and as for Allardyce's record at Newcastle - he's had 12 games to deal with Newcastle's expectations and he's only 5 points off the European spot. Surely it's too early to take much from what he's done there, especially seeing as he's a long-term project kind of guy.

WhiteArmy wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Oh, and as for Allardyce's record at Newcastle - he's had 12 games to deal with Newcastle's expectations and he's only 5 points off the European spot. Surely it's too early to take much from what he's done there, especially seeing as he's a long-term project kind of guy.

I agree with you there mate, i don't think he's doing toooooo bad a job up there, and we all know Allardyce will change things rapido if the personnel he has aren't doing it for him.

I think he's inherited decent players, but whether they can be a decent team remains to be seen.

I'd have Allardyce as well, the guy would have taken it up the dirter to have had a crack (pardon the pun) at it last time.

At least he has the passion.

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

WhiteArmy wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Oh, and as for Allardyce's record at Newcastle - he's had 12 games to deal with Newcastle's expectations and he's only 5 points off the European spot. Surely it's too early to take much from what he's done there, especially seeing as he's a long-term project kind of guy.

I agree with you there mate, i don't think he's doing toooooo bad a job up there, and we all know Allardyce will change things rapido if the personnel he has aren't doing it for him.

I think he's inherited decent players, but whether they can be a decent team remains to be seen.

I'd have Allardyce as well, the guy would have taken it up the dirter to have had a crack (pardon the pun) at it last time.

At least he has the passion.

I agree (I think ).

Allardyce has only had 12 Premier League games to have a proper look at what he's working with up there - and we all know that whilst he's prepared to sign players to have a look at them, if they don't come upto the grade pretty quickly then they don't play and they get shipped out.

I don't think he's worked out quite how he wants to play yet, partly because of the same Michael Owen factor that McClaren has grappled with poorly. If he's fit and on form, then it changes everything, but having him tantalisingly on the brink of fitness (or more precisely, another injury) is something that is difficult to deal with.

The only way to judge Allardyce sensibly is to look whether Newcastle are challenging for the top 5/6 places regularly in a couple of seasons' time.

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

WhiteArmy wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Oh, and as for Allardyce's record at Newcastle - he's had 12 games to deal with Newcastle's expectations and he's only 5 points off the European spot. Surely it's too early to take much from what he's done there, especially seeing as he's a long-term project kind of guy.

I agree with you there mate, i don't think he's doing toooooo bad a job up there, and we all know Allardyce will change things rapido if the personnel he has aren't doing it for him.

I think he's inherited decent players, but whether they can be a decent team remains to be seen.

I'd have Allardyce as well, the guy would have taken it up the dirter to have had a crack (pardon the pun) at it last time.

At least he has the passion.

I agree (I think ).

Allardyce has only had 12 Premier League games to have a proper look at what he's working with up there - and we all know that whilst he's prepared to sign players to have a look at them, if they don't come upto the grade pretty quickly then they don't play and they get shipped out.

I don't think he's worked out quite how he wants to play yet, partly because of the same Michael Owen factor that McClaren has grappled with poorly. If he's fit and on form, then it changes everything, but having him tantalisingly on the brink of fitness (or more precisely, another injury) is something that is difficult to deal with.

The only way to judge Allardyce sensibly is to look whether Newcastle are challenging for the top 5/6 places regularly in a couple of seasons' time.

Tombwfc wrote:
I would've had Allardyce first team round, save for him being our manager of course. But since he's gone up there, and in the latter parts of his tenure here, i just think he's not got the tactical ability to manage a top side with big expectations. It's probably more bitterness than anything, though i can't imagine he'd garner too many favourable reviews in the press if we went to San Marino looking for a point for example.

I'd have Capello, you can teach a man English (Or maybe not, Hiddinks Russian is about as good as mine), but you can't teach him how to be a great manager, which he is. Again he's got a bit of a reputation for being pragmatic and a bit dull, but for me thats the only way we're ever going to win things with these players. We're not technically good enough to play total football.

WhiteArmy wrote:Slightly off topic, but it has been discussed here.

Just seen Craig Johnstone on Skysports advocating giving kids the ball to work with for hours, instead of endless amounts of mindless fitness coaching.

WhiteArmy for England manager anyone?

hisroyalgingerness wrote:

WhiteArmy wrote:Slightly off topic, but it has been discussed here.

Just seen Craig Johnstone on Skysports advocating giving kids the ball to work with for hours, instead of endless amounts of mindless fitness coaching.

WhiteArmy for England manager anyone?

there was a docu on sky sports months ago saying same thing, that's how they do it on the continent. don't worry about fitness til they start playing at pro level

how this Jimmy Armfield a credible football figure??