Benitez .... prick

blurred · Post by **blurred** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:43 pm

bobo the clown wrote:I saw the incident live. Whilst I'm not a fan of Benitez, I'm not sure disrespectful is the word I'd use for it...though I can see how people might see it that way. I'd personally call what he did arrogant, and lets be honest, Mr Allardyce knows plenty about that himself.

Given that he was looking at the pitch and not at Allardyce, how has this been directed to him, exactly? It could've meant anything, but was obviously directed to one of his players.

Not that Ferguson would do anything like direct celebrations to the opposition dug-out/fans, is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YKPi3SvKIc

It's all a load of nonsense - quite why Ferguson has come out and called him 'arrogant, contemptible and beyond the pale' I just don't know. It was a one-second hand gesture whose intent/message is unclear at best, and he chooses to wait a week before talking about it. Strange.

mofgimmers · Post by **mofgimmers** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:11 pm

I think it's quite funny.

Managers SHOULD wind each other up.

jenkz · Post by **jenkz** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:14 pm

We all no red nose is slowly losing a few marbles

FD · Post by FD » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:21 pm

blurred wrote:Given that he was looking at the pitch and not at Allardyce, how has this been directed to him, exactly? It could've meant anything, but was obviously directed to one of his players.

Where exactly did I accuse him of directing at anyone? Either way, it was arrogant.

mofgimmers · Post by **mofgimmers** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:02 pm

FD wrote:
blurred wrote:Given that he was looking at the pitch and not at Allardyce, how has this been directed to him, exactly? It could've meant anything, but was obviously directed to one of his players.
Where exactly did I accuse him of directing at anyone? Either way, it was arrogant.

Where's the story in a sports person(ality) being arrogant?

FD · Post by FD » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:34 pm

I wasn't aware I'd written the article!

mofgimmers · Post by **mofgimmers** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:02 pm

blurred · Post by **blurred** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:46 pm

FD wrote:
blurred wrote:Given that he was looking at the pitch and not at Allardyce, how has this been directed to him, exactly? It could've meant anything, but was obviously directed to one of his players.
Where exactly did I accuse him of directing at anyone? Either way, it was arrogant.

What was he saying and to whom?

Perhaps you could let us all in on it, because I don't actually know, and I'm sure as hell nobody else does, either.

FD · Post by FD » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:48 pm

I can honestly say I've no idea what the hell you are talking about Blurred. You are being ridiculously defensive!

Benitez made an "it's over" gesture at someone, don't know who, don't care. My point is very simply that doing so, is an arrogant thing to do.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:10 pm

FD wrote:I can honestly say I've no idea what the hell you are talking about Blurred. You are being ridiculously defensive!

Benitez made an "it's over" gesture at someone, don't know who, don't care. My point is very simply that doing so, is an arrogant thing to do.

If that's what Benitez was saying then it was fair comment, I'd say. They were absolutely hammering a Blackburn side that had elected to play nine across the back and stick a pit pony up front on his own. Liverpool's first goal was 'game over', let alone the second. I think that Allardyce is the one that comes off badly here and comes across as being a mardy-arsed amateur. The depths of obsequiousness to which he's prepared to lower himself in order to gain favour with Ferguson are truly embarrassing.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:28 pm

Funny how Liverpool fans can excuse Benitez doing the "it's over" gesture, yet demand the stringing up of Mourinho at the League Cup Final of 2006 for his "sssh" gesture, when he was looking at the ground than at anyone, particularly not the crowd.

EDIT: Sorry, 2005 final. Sue me.

FD · Post by FD » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:16 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:If that's what Benitez was saying then it was fair comment, I'd say.

If? If? Seriously, track it down on youtube, its the universal sign for "Enough, thats it" etc.

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:26 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
FD wrote:I can honestly say I've no idea what the hell you are talking about Blurred. You are being ridiculously defensive!

Benitez made an "it's over" gesture at someone, don't know who, don't care. My point is very simply that doing so, is an arrogant thing to do.
If that's what Benitez was saying then it was fair comment, I'd say. They were absolutely hammering a Blackburn side that had elected to play nine across the back and stick a pit pony up front on his own. Liverpool's first goal was 'game over', let alone the second. I think that Allardyce is the one that comes off badly here and comes across as being a mardy-arsed amateur. The depths of obsequiousness to which he's prepared to lower himself in order to gain favour with Ferguson are truly embarrassing.

The one chink in his armour for me is his fawning over Ferguson. Handbags at dawn b*llshit. If it was Megson moaning I'd be claiming he was just putting up a smokescreen for a rank bad performance. Same goes here.

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:23 pm

blurred wrote:
[b]bobo the clown[/b] wrote:I saw the incident live. Whilst I'm not a fan of Benitez, I'm not sure disrespectful is the word I'd use for it...though I can see how people might see it that way. I'd personally call what he did arrogant, and lets be honest, Mr Allardyce knows plenty about that himself.
Given that he was looking at the pitch and not at Allardyce, how has this been directed to him, exactly? It could've meant anything, but was obviously directed to one of his players.

It was a one-second hand gesture whose intent/message is unclear at best, and he chooses to wait a week before talking about it. Strange.

First of all ... it was FD who wrote that, not Bobo. Bobo would never, ever be that reasonable toward Benitez ... never.

Second of all ... yes is probably more properly described as arrogant. Whatever word is used it was a deliberate & demeaning act and is quite within the guys character ... because HE'S A PRICK !!

Third of all, your defence of his is bllx & you know it. You may do a Philadelphia lawyer bit & claim that you can't be sure what he meant/did/said ... that's shite & everyone knows it. But if you are determined to make that case then off you go.

Benitez was, is and will remain a prick. This is just more proof of it.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:33 pm

The content is a complete load of bollocks! Wasn't Benitez just saying to his players "what do I know" when something had gone against his wishes/instructions but led to a Liverpool goal?!

All good fun though.

blurred · Post by **blurred** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:43 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_33dbv50f20

Tell me that he's emphatically signalling 'it's over' there? Seriously? If you think that, you're as deluded as Allardyce and Ferguson combined. He shrugs, smiles (which is unusual for Benitez after we score), and then does a small hand gesture which could mean anything. To me it looks as much like 'no chance' as it does 'game over', neither of which make much sense. He's obviously reacting to somethign on the pitch (possibly a player signalling something back to him). God knows what it's all about, but those of you clamouring saying 'it's clearly a 'game over', arrogant gesture' are quite frankly talking through your hole.

mofgimmers · Post by **mofgimmers** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:03 pm

Having seen it again, it's clearly two small, fleeting Nazi salutes.

Burn him.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:07 pm

blurred wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_33dbv50f20

Tell me that he's emphatically signalling 'it's over' there? Seriously? If you think that, you're as deluded as Allardyce and Ferguson combined. He shrugs, smiles (which is unusual for Benitez after we score), and then does a small hand gesture which could mean anything. To me it looks as much like 'no chance' as it does 'game over', neither of which make much sense. He's obviously reacting to somethign on the pitch (possibly a player signalling something back to him). God knows what it's all about, but those of you clamouring saying 'it's clearly a 'game over', arrogant gesture' are quite frankly talking through your hole.

Yep, there are definitely a few people having a Phil Scraton moment over this one....

blurred · Post by **blurred** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:10 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Yep, there are definitely a few people having a Phil Scraton moment over this one....

Fergie and Allardyce being two.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:13 pm

blurred wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Yep, there are definitely a few people having a Phil Scraton moment over this one....
Fergie and Allardyce being two.

Well, not sure what Allardyce's problem is, but Fergie's just up to his usual.

But was it you who posted an article on here which argues that Fergie's mind-game prowess is all a myth?

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