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It's bollocks. I hate this Arsenal-ification of the game, we need to scrap the modern 'interpretations' of the rules and get back to the old-fashioned version of what is and what isn't a foul. Too much namby pamby fannying around these days with 'intent' and 'anticipating' the foul. Just helps the cheats like Ngog and Gerrard.
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Are you sure? I recall a Juve - Inter game where one of the Juve defenders was penalized for a high kick without actual contact. Adriano scored the free kick . . . which was disallowed because it was indirect.boltonboris wrote:Dangerous play is a direct kickH. Pedersen wrote:Wouldn't that fall under dangerous play, and an indirect kick then?blurred wrote:No, you're quite correct, he wasn't attempting to trip Ngog. But then you said that no contact = no foul, which was wrong. You can foul people without touching them. Hell, you can be sent off for not touching someone (attempting to punch or kick them, for instance).H. Pedersen wrote:Carsley wasn't "attempting to trip" N'Gog though, was he? He was attempting to win the ball, which he either did or nearly did. Christ, next we're going to be giving penalties for THINKING about tackling in the box.
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Well then the Italian ref fecked upH. Pedersen wrote:Are you sure? I recall a Juve - Inter game where one of the Juve defenders was penalized for a high kick without actual contact. Adriano scored the free kick . . . which was disallowed because it was indirect.boltonboris wrote:Dangerous play is a direct kickH. Pedersen wrote:Wouldn't that fall under dangerous play, and an indirect kick then?blurred wrote:No, you're quite correct, he wasn't attempting to trip Ngog. But then you said that no contact = no foul, which was wrong. You can foul people without touching them. Hell, you can be sent off for not touching someone (attempting to punch or kick them, for instance).H. Pedersen wrote:Carsley wasn't "attempting to trip" N'Gog though, was he? He was attempting to win the ball, which he either did or nearly did. Christ, next we're going to be giving penalties for THINKING about tackling in the box.
Not strictly true. 'Dangerous play' is a direct free kick, 'playing in a dangerous manner', a different offence is an indirect offence. Thinks like high foot, where there is no intent to harm, and often occur because a player is unaware of his opponents presence are playing in a dangerous manner.boltonboris wrote:Well then the Italian ref fecked upH. Pedersen wrote:Are you sure? I recall a Juve - Inter game where one of the Juve defenders was penalized for a high kick without actual contact. Adriano scored the free kick . . . which was disallowed because it was indirect.boltonboris wrote:Dangerous play is a direct kickH. Pedersen wrote:Wouldn't that fall under dangerous play, and an indirect kick then?blurred wrote: No, you're quite correct, he wasn't attempting to trip Ngog. But then you said that no contact = no foul, which was wrong. You can foul people without touching them. Hell, you can be sent off for not touching someone (attempting to punch or kick them, for instance).
RE: N'gog- Blurred is right when talking about there being no need to make contact. In the case of Carsley, there is no question of any form of dangerous play being involved, it is clearly a case of deciding whether or not Carsley is guilty of one of the specific, named offences in the Laws relating to a direct free-kick, in this case 'tripping, or attempting to trip' (there are several specifically named-others including 'pushing, or attempting to push', 'kicking or attempting to kick'). Carsley is not attempting to trip N'Gog, he is attempting to win the ball, and he doesn't actually trip him either. Therefore it is not a foul. Easy to see how the ref would think it was though.
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Bruno wrote:It's bollocks. I hate this Arsenal-ification of the game, we need to scrap the modern 'interpretations' of the rules and get back to the old-fashioned version of what is and what isn't a foul. Too much namby pamby fannying around these days with 'intent' and 'anticipating' the foul. Just helps the cheats like Ngog and Gerrard.
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But what if the inconvienience of riding the tackle forces you to lose the ball/miss the chance? Why should the attacker have to hurdle bad challenges in order to get to goal?boltonboris wrote:Riding a tackle doesn't make you go to ground. Contact does, there was no contact therefore, he should have stayed on his feet
At the end of the day, if you're sliding about in the box and don't win the ball, I think you can have few complaints if you give away a penalty.
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Christ I feel dirty. But I agree entirely with Bruno here.Bruno wrote:It's bollocks. I hate this Arsenal-ification of the game, we need to scrap the modern 'interpretations' of the rules and get back to the old-fashioned version of what is and what isn't a foul. Too much namby pamby fannying around these days with 'intent' and 'anticipating' the foul. Just helps the cheats like Ngog and Gerrard.
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Whoo oooh lets all jump on the Bruno trainBWFC_Insane wrote:Christ I feel dirty. But I agree entirely with Bruno here.Bruno wrote:It's bollocks. I hate this Arsenal-ification of the game, we need to scrap the modern 'interpretations' of the rules and get back to the old-fashioned version of what is and what isn't a foul. Too much namby pamby fannying around these days with 'intent' and 'anticipating' the foul. Just helps the cheats like Ngog and Gerrard.
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I perceive him to be a prick. (I'm not sure if that's ever been mentioned on here.)Worthy4England wrote:But what of their non-Scousers, such as Benitez? Do you have a view on him?Zulus Thousand of em wrote:Cheating scouse c*nts. Just my opinion like.
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Who, Benitez or the "couple of top european sides"?
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No, but you clearly are for believing everything you read in the tabloid press.H. Pedersen wrote:In other Benitez/Prick news:
Is he on drugs?Liverpool have placed a £14m price tag on midfielder Lucas Leiva after a couple of top European sides inquired about his availability. (Daily Mirror)
Seriously, just for a while try thinking that not everything you read is true. You'll feel enlightened.
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It's only untre when it's about us Blurred.. Please leave us to laugh at your expense. You'll feel enlightened.blurred wrote:No, but you clearly are for believing everything you read in the tabloid press.H. Pedersen wrote:In other Benitez/Prick news:
Is he on drugs?Liverpool have placed a £14m price tag on midfielder Lucas Leiva after a couple of top European sides inquired about his availability. (Daily Mirror)
Seriously, just for a while try thinking that not everything you read is true. You'll feel enlightened.
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Manager swap?Perfect match if you ask me, after all, our manager has a proven track record of simply trying to maintain the status quo, which is their raison d'etre these days.
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